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xxXXxxXxxXXxxXXxx wrote:
God is Dead originally appeared in Goethe’s Faust Nietzsche just borried.
How’s that for controversial?
aghogday wrote:
Yes ..i wouldn’t be surprised..if some of the dejected and despaired ancient Egyptians said the same thing ..about Isis..Osiris..and or Horus…
Sometimes the glass IS HALF FULL ..sometimes IT IS half empty…
It’s much easier to believe in an all encompassing benevolent force when the glass is more than half full..
Been there done that in both places…
That’s why i just describe ‘IT’ as a force..
Sometimes it ain’t pretty..but i guess tHere ain’t no choice but to deal with..IT on a moment to moment basis..in the NOW…!
WE all answer to nature..and our nature as human beings..that for sure is something none of can escape..on this planet ..as long as we live..
But i say why not enjoy bliss forever in the NOW..as when one is in that place…
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MOOT POINT..:)
NO WORRIES…
BE HAPPY..IS WHAT IT CAN BE
ALL ABOUT..:)
HAPPINESS CAN BE THE ALL
ENCOMPASSING TRUTH…
OR DESPAIR CAN BE
THE ALL
ENCOMPASSING TRUTH…
I CHOOSE THE FORMER..
AND STAY THERE IN
THE
NOW..:) 
:)!!!
KATiE MiA FredericK!iI 
Full discussion from the Wrong Planet Website..a support site for folks with Asperger’s Syndrome..a higher functioning form of Autism..where on this site..the informal polls suggest IQ’s from 140 to 160..but there is often..great deficits..in the most important type of intelligence..for overall human survival .. emotional intelligence..also ‘known’ as cognitive empathy…
the war goes on..to develop that type of intelligence..the greatest challenge of life..in my opinion for folks with this disorder..which i personally think..is more culturally derived..from a life spent in mechanical cognition..rather than actually inherently derived….
I know this from my own life..per my life in the academic world..as opposed to a life of social activity..working in a military bowling center….
Working with people..naturally brings greater cognitive empathy..or social cognition…
Working with things..naturally decreases cognitive empathy..or social cognition..
And that’s just common sense…
Back in the days when i went to college there were signs posted in the computer lab and engineering departments..that said
DON’T FORGET ABOUT HUMANS..
YOU ARE A HUMAN..GET OUT AND SOCIALIZE..TOO…
Not surprising at all that research shows that measures of empathy among young adults in college has fallen about 30 percent in the last 3 decades…
Computers can kill cognitive empathy through endeavors like video games…
But on the other hand..they make excellent tools for communication as well..that yes..can potentially increase cognitive empathy..as the mind is often more fully exposed in words..than in thoughts..but..and a big but..there is also emotional empathy..the empathy of feeling what others feel in real flesh and blood human interaction..the computer as a tool for communication..has a long way..if ever to fully feed and provide..that most basic of all human needs…
to connect and truly be
touched….
ANYWAY..this information is presented for educational purposes only…no commercial vested interests..associated.. under fair use..per any potential copyright concerns..for the website..quoted and linked..below..
My user name is Aghogday on this site…
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt252114.html
AspieOtaku wrote:
Yes he is I shot him in the head with an etherial bullet of logic and summoned a magical genie to wish his chances of coming back away! His etherial corpse faded away with fairy dust and such!
aghogday wrote:
Well..if you believe it ..i guess it is so for ya…
But not for me….
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Creation is alive and kicking.
aghogday wrote:
YES It IS..the IS travels with US ITIS
ALLITIS…:)
And when it doesn’t travel with us the way we want..
We could get mad ..i guess..but as IT IS
part of our Journey 2…
We might as well make the best of
IT
i think..i feel
i am
sure
of
th’
IS
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aghogday wrote:
GOD ain’t dead
TallyMan wrote:
If his feet weren’t nailed to his perch he’d fall off. Or to put it another way…
A customer enters a pet shop.
Customer: ‘Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
C: ‘Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean “miss”?
C: I’m sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
O: We’re closin’ for lunch.
C: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this God what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
O: Oh yes, the, uh, the Hebrew God…What’s,uh…What’s wrong with him?
C: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with him, my lad. ‘E’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with him!
O: No, no, ‘e’s uh,…he’s resting.
C: Look, matey, I know a dead god when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.
O: No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’! Remarkable god, the Hebrew god, idn’it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
C: The plumage don’t enter into it. He’s stone dead.
O: Nononono, no, no! ‘E’s resting!
C: All right then, if he’s restin’, I’ll wake him up!
(shouting at the cage)
‘Ello, Mister God! I’ve got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you show…(owner hits the cage)
O: There, he moved!
C: No, he didn’t, that was you hitting the cage!
O: I never!!
C: Yes, you did!
O: I never, never did anything…
C: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) ‘ELLO GOD!!!!!
Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o’clock alarm call!
(Takes god out of the cage and thumps his head on the counter. Throws him up in the air and watches him plummet to the floor.)
C: Now that’s what I call a dead god.
O: No, no…..No, ‘e’s stunned!
C: STUNNED?!?
O: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin’ up! Hebrew gods stun easily, major.
C: Um…now look…now look, mate, I’ve definitely ‘ad enough of this. That god is definitely deceased, and when I purchased him not ‘alf an hour ago, you assured me that his total lack of movement was due to it bein’ tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
O: Well, he’s…he’s, ah…probably pining for the fjords.
C: PININ’ for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got ‘im home?
O: The Hebrew God prefers kippin’ on his back! Remarkable god, id’nit, squire? Lovely plumage!
C: Look, I took the liberty of examining that god when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that he had been sitting on his perch in the first place was that he’d been NAILED there.
(pause)
O: Well, o’course he was nailed there! If I hadn’t nailed that god down, he would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent ’em apart with his beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
C: “VOOM”?!? Mate, this god wouldn’t “voom” if you put four million volts through him! ‘E’s bleedin’ demised!
O: No no! ‘E’s pining!
C: ‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This god is no more! He has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker!
‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies!
‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig!
‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-GOD!!
(pause)
O: Well, I’d better replace him, then.
(he takes a quick peek behind the counter)
O: Sorry squire, I’ve had a look ’round the back of the shop, and uh, we’re right out of gods.
C: I see. I see, I get the picture.
O: I got a slug.
(pause)
C: (sweet as sugar) Pray, does it talk?
O: Nnnnot really.
C: WELL IT’S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
O: Look, if you go to my brother’s pet shop in Bolton, he’ll replace the god for you.
C: Bolton, eh? Very well.
The customer leaves.
aghogday wrote:
As far as i can see the Patriarchal so called Hebrew GOD Sucks…
GOD is a ‘little’ bit of everything..not just a dick…:)
But yes there is mental masturbation..and if the ‘two’ could
connect …i guess there would be less violence
and stife…
Kinda like what happened WHEN humankind finally figured out to have full accessible
peep shows…all the time….
More than anything else except for food..
There’s sex..a weak human in the Winter frost ..has to do it a lot..
Otherwise ‘it’ might freeze off first…
in the ice…
ouch..:)
So maybe overall GOD is a Penis
AND a VAGINA..
the most ..in
TRUE EFFECT..
AND creation
activity..
of all kinds…
Popular CULTURE thinks so …
anyway..
in
TRUEST EFFECT..
IT’S kinda obvious if ya
look around in a truly
free country..
SEX IS EVERYWHERE..
A FREE HUMAN.. MOSTLY SPEAKING
IS GONNA FLAUNT
THAT PART
OF
GOD.
(valentine’s day
is a day for GOD
and SEX)
AND OVERALL HUMAN
SENSUALITY
(JUST CELEBRATING IT
a little bit today in more ways than
one here):)
BUT I WON’T LINK
THAT
HERE..’MR. MODERATOR’..:);)
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simon_says wrote:
Aghogday, it’s somewhat ironic that Nietzsche’s own views on establishing a greater you through acts of will, a life affirming carpe diem attitude, dancing to some inner (and real) music is all reflected in your own comments. Other than your focus on a vague god and social outlets via the church the underlying sentiment doesn’t sound very different to me.
“We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once” –Nietzsche
The statement “god is dead” is sort of begging the question anyway. It’s a bit like the silly Pascal’s Wager, which essentially says, “assuming the Christian god is the only plausible explanation, it makes sense to believe in him. ” Well thanks Sherlock. Can you repeat that first part again mate? These are men who are still reeling from a world where Christian thought permeated everything and they frame their thoughts accordingly.
aghogday wrote:
I LIKE the philosopher Nietzche very much..
But see..i am a truly free thinker..
i do not just limit my thought to how i believe..i try to understand WHY OTHER FOLKS BELIEVE the way they do too….
And pursue it IN both intellectual and poetic ways…
AS discussed in the other thread..this is seriously also part of how i have eliminated the most difficult aspects of the reciprocal social
communicaTION dEFICITS of autism..
PUTTING MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF
OTHERS…
a LIFELONG PRACTICE…
THAT i continue now in exploring the
OVERALL POWER OF
BELIEF…
BUT I GO ONE STEP FURTHER THAN CARPE DIEM…
i seize the NOW
AND in my method of writing…
tHere is a sacred aspect of it..where SACRED ONLY MEANS…
FULL FOCUS AND EXPRESSION OF THE NOW…
each Letter and Number or any other symbol i use…
I
S EVIDENCE OF THAT…
AS I NEITHER MOVE ON THE SIDEWALKS OF LIFE..IN SILLY LITTLE LINES STRAIGHT AHEAD…
nor do i limit my language ..in written expression…
to the rules
of
sidewalks
either….
I AM
FREE..
AND WHAT I CONSIDER AS GOD
IS WILD
AND
FREE
TOO..
SIMPLY A FORCE AND ENERGY..
THAT IS THE GLUE
OF
LIFE…
🙂
GOOD AND EVIL..BAD AND GOOD..
DO NOT EXIST IN MY LIFE…
THERE IS ONLY DARK AND LIGHT
AND POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE
ACTION AND CONSEQUENCE…
AND THE RESULTING
FLAVORED
ENERGY..
DARK OR LIGHT…
BUT
BOTH WORK TOGETHER
TO CREATE
THE GREATEST
LIGHT!
WHAT I DESCRIBE
AS
SACRED LOVE..
WHICH IS SIMPLY ALTRUISTIC UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
FOR ALL THINGS..
EXISTING..LIFE..AND
ALL MATERIAL AND NON MATERIAL
EXISTENCE…..
but on all my blogs..in the right hand column ..
my manifesto..is all about…
a general philosophy…
close to
classical pantheism…
i do NOT give
gOD a Personality….
or anthropomorphic..
being….
The ALLITIS
IS
ENERGY AND FORCE ENOUGH
FOR
ME…:)
TO HAVE THE BESTEST LIFE
I
CAN PERSONALLY
imagine……..
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AspieOtaku wrote:
If god is dead then YAY! We can celebrate being ourselves without being judged!
aghogday wrote:
WELL PERSONALLY i do not think the ALLITIS
needs any name…
if you assign the name of GOD to the DEVIL that is oppression…
that is completely KOOL WITH ME…
HUMANS CERTAINLY DESERVE AS MUCH FREEDOM..
OR MORE..
THAN A DOMESTICATED DOG..
IN A BACK YARD…
BUT REASON CAN BE A DOG OF DOMESTICATION TOO…
I CHOOSE TO BE
A WOLF
INSTEAD…
in metaphorical affect..
and EFFECT….
USING A FULL MIND..
OF EMOTION..EMPATHIC WAYS
OF COMMUNICATION…
AND
LOGIC…REASON..
FOR FULL
COMMON SENSE….
AND A FULLY
FUNCTIONING
BRAIN .. the entire rest of the BODY..
AND MORE THAN
silly little humans can see..
with little
eyeballs….
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:27 am
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I see we have plenty of Nietszcheans here! My question is, what do you propose we do about nihilism? Dancing? Art? Schopenhauer was along similar lines. These two knew each other well.
aghogday wrote:
Well what i do is dance walk..everywhere i go …
a super kool mix…
of TAI CHI..
‘CHAKRA’ BELLY DANCE…
REVERSE DANCING..
MARTIAL ARTS…
BALLET..
‘PRIMITIVE’ DANCING…
ALL IN ONE…
BUT
I LEAVE NO STONES
UNTURNED
FOR THE CREATIVITY..OR creation activity…
THAT HAS NO
LIMITs OR EXPECTATIONS
IN LIFE…:)
THere ain’t nothing nihilist about me…
or LUKEWARM..
PER THAT
BIBLE POETRY BOOK….
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Fnord wrote:
Shouldn’t someone first be proven to be alive before he or she can be declared dead?
I mean, where’s the body? Where is the writ of Habeus Corpus? Where are the certificates of birth and death?
EVIDENCE, Please?
aghogday wrote:
HAHA TRUE..obviously a force and energy..THAT IS NOT A flesh and blood form..RESTRICTED AS SUCH…
can’t die.
But again..that’s just what i describe
as ALLITIS..
or GOD OR
WHATEVA ANY ONE WANTSTA
CALL
IT
WH@IS
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:42 am
OH AND BY THE WAY..
This is my 6000th post…
one of my favorite numbers is 6 of course and on course…
as my birthday
is
6660..
so this is just a little
SACRED effort..
to recognize..and worship…
the
number
6
🙂
take that ya dam
devil
of
a beast;)and literal bible thinkers..
and all of that…;) that were scared when i came
to the check out line at Super Walmart..back in the
days when i drank a beer each day..and had my ID checked….;)
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Oh.. and on topic..
IN my opinion..from fully exploring all the recorded references to the man Jesus..
including the gnostic gospels..
Jesus was fully interested in KILLING THE HEBREW FALSE GOD OF PATRIARCHY
AND OPPRESSION…
AND YES THAT FALSE GOD IS DYING A SLOW
AND ‘PAINFUL’ DEATH..
AS WE SPEAK…
JESUS BELIEVED IN THE GOD OF FREEDOM..
BUT..IT’S HARD FOR SOME FOLKS TO LET GO OF OPPRESSING
OTHER FOLKS FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH NEEDS…
THEREFORE there is still a lot of that
FATHER CRAP LEFT..
IN THE
new testament….
But the world
is
GROWING
A VAGINA NOW..
TOO..
IT AIN’T ONE BIG
PENIS
ANY
MORE….
WHEN THOSE TWO..
MEET AS ONE..
THEN THE
REAL
FUN
BEGINS…:)
FOR A NEW WORLD
ORDER
OF
EGALITARIANISM….
AND
FULLER MUCH FULLER
FREEDOM
FOR
EVERY
ONE
AS
THE ALLITIS….
OR THE
BIG
ONE…
NICE SYMBOL ABOVE OF
PENIS AND VAGINA..
AS
EQUAL PARTNERS
IN LIFE…
AS
ONE
IT’S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT
CONTROL
OF REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM…
FOR FULLER FREEOM TO HAPPEN
IN THE WORLD..
THERE MUST BE FULLER REPRODUCTIVE
FREEOM…
TO GET THE
WHOLE NEW WORLD ORDERED
JOB
DONE…;)
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
+ 1 FOR THE AQUAS
I found that Aquariuses like to do this. In fact, I am really good at spotting them online now. Whenever someone is saying things to deliberately provoke I ask them if they are Aquarius and they say they are and I am a good guesser but really it’s just I notice a pattern in the Aquas. They always try to offend certain others by what they say. They feel like they are doing the world a service this way. So Aspies, no. Aquas, yes.
AspE wrote:
Astrology is bunk.
aghogday wrote:
ONLY IF YOU believe
I
t IS
Astrology…is a work of art..in the most complex of all things..
LIFE..
IT AIN’T JUST A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION…
IT’S TAPESTRY…
life th@IS!
AND ASTROLOGY..IS JUST A WAY..
TO FIND A PATTERN..
IN
WH@IS..
AND YES IT MOST DEFINITELY WORKS
FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE
IN POSITIVE THINKING….
FOR TRUER POSITIVE GOALS
IN LIFE..
AS A BETTER WAY
TO BE tHere
NOw!
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Kraichgauer wrote:
True, but when it is discussed in my church, we make it abundantly clear that that Tim LaHaye Left Behind crap is just that, crap. I recall when my pastor had dedicated several weeks of Bible study to Revelations, not once, but twice, and how he had emphasized that while the evangelical view of the book might be popular, it’s hardly right.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Oh, the Evangelical view is extremely popular. Nut cases like Michelle Bachmann go completely unchallenged. I think that it would be extremely valuable if your side could get your version out there.
The Evangelicals present themselves as being the authentic Christians who believe the word of God, and poo-poo mainline practices and beliefs. The Evangelicals seem to be quite effective in using the mainliners as convenient punching bags.
Which might tend to discourage otherwise-normal people from attending your church. The Evangelicals are telling us that your churches aren’t any good, and Evangelical churches are a big turn-off for many people. So, a lot of people decide: “Okay. I’ll just take up atheism and stay home.”
aghogday wrote:
Meh..those are just the left overs of last Century…
the Information age is Killing the Evangelical way..may BE not fast enough..
but it’s happening..all around us …
NOT EVERYONE IS WATCHING FOX NETWORK NEWS YA KNOWnow…AND THEIR COUNTERPARTS…IN MEDIA..
DANCING WITH THE STARS AND THOSE COUNTERPARTS..ARE SCORES MORE IMPORTANT..IN THE EYES OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC….
AND I’M PERSONALLY QUITE PLEASED WITH THAT..AS MY WAY TO ‘GOD’ IS DANCE MOREOVER THAN ANYTHING ELSE….
But people seek overall meaning in life..for the most part…
As long as we are humans..
Folks are gonna find some type of abstract linguistic expressions…
to describe what they think..
makes life tick…
GOD..or whateva..that part is largely moot…
in the thousands of years..panorama….
Everywhere on earth…
Not just on OUR TV SHOWS..CATHEDRALS AND SUCH AS SUCH
AS
TH@T
THE UNIVERSE AND RECORDED HISTORY BEFORE AND AFTER…
IS A
VERY BIG
PLACE
BUT
VERY SMALL
AT
THE
SAME
TIME
TOO……
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Stannis wrote:
hh
aghogday wrote:
1
H8
11
i’m not making fun of your comment.. to be clear..
the symbolism in thIS..IS
the connection of one
with
ONE
WITH H AS ALPHA NUMERICAL VALUE FOR 8
O
R
DA INFINITY SYMBOL STANDING TALL!
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Well..i lust ..i mean like this holiday so much that i made a special blog post for my wife.. A WHOLE DAY EARLY!
but dam she didn’t appreciate it..like….
‘SOME OF MY’ internet girl ‘friends’ did…
for some reason…:)
OH by the way..it’s PG rated..
but i do a little free lance male stripper work on the side…for FREE…
at friggin 53..
now that’s
amazing…;)
and may be
a miracle2…:)
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simon_says wrote:
The topic doesn’t really interest me much these days but I don’t see why people shouldn’t speak their minds. We’ve all seen the rambling and often incoherent god rants that pop up in random threads on the internet. Pasting a paragraph worth of slogans together and capitalizing half of the words at random is certainly no better than a reasoned, if blunt, counterpoint.
And even blunt dismissal is better than crazy. Some of these god posts read like a 1st century peasant rolled in from Galilee and started attacking the first keyboard he spotted. After you read them your first inclination is to make sure your door is locked.
How’s that?
aghogday wrote:
Well..i
m not sure if you are addressing my posting style or not here…but if you are.. please know that i make it clear that i am posting in a free verse poetic style of writing that does include much word play..and yes that does include manipulating the English Language in unusual and creative ways…
i
m no pubished poet..but there are quit a few internationally known published poets..that compliment my style as unique and effective in getting my ideas across…
But again..this is not a site for poets..but could be..
in my opinion..if people could take something else BESIDE
the sidewalks of life…
and if you are suggesting i am crazy..well knowNOW i’m not…
But if you met me in person..and even watched the way i moved or shall i say float
across the floors i walk..
it might scare..you..
as it is a natural human inclination..to fear what one has never seen before..
in human behavior…
Kids love it..but yes it does scare the hell out of some adults..who watch too many
serial killer movies…:)
There is nothing scarier to some folks..
than to encounter a human being WHO IS fearless….;)
And yes i am fearless..
but now there was a time..when i was diagnosed with Severe Anxiety .. as
well .. shortly before AND AFTER.. i fell to total human exhaustion…
And i am a fairly robust looking fellow ..if you click on the gravatar link below..
in my signature line…
If you are autistic and have not arrived in midlife…
Yet..
Yes..it is very possible a similar fate awaits ya too..
Unless perhaps..it can be prevented..
by understanding what causes it..(AUTISTIC BURNOUT)
http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/2013/04/burnout-on-autism-spectrum.html
IN THE REAL LIFE..WORK WORLD..
THAT IS AN INCREDIBLE RAT RACE..
FOR AUTISITIC FOLKS WHO DO HAVE
PROFESSIONAL JOBS IN REAL LIFE….
PARTICULARLY AFTER WORKING 30 YEARS OR SO STRAIGHT
WITH NO INTERRUPTION….
nah..i didn’t keep a job that long..
for being crazy..
or wait..
maybe i was.. to make it that far….
LIFE IS ALL ABOUT
ADVERSITY….
BUT MOREOVER ..
OVERCOMING IT…
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simon_says wrote:
No, not your style. I understand your points, or most of them. I’m the talking about the:
“And Jesus said x,y,x. For the SON of x,y,z. And NO MAN should… x,yz.” On and on for a paragraph in a news story about bobsledding.
aghogday wrote:
Thanks .. i appreciate the clarification…
I was hoping that was the case..as i respect your methods of civil communication here..more than most…
strengthens my optimism about humanity…
seriously..thanks…
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AngelRho wrote:
…God DOES instruct His people to force others into exile and kill anyone remaining. This, however, is all part of a punishment God intended for those people in the first place. …we can’t escape the Biblical fact that everything that happens, whether good or bad, happens because God allows it to happen.
LKL wrote:
yeah, that right there pretty much exemplifies why religion does more harm than good. First there’s the ‘If my god commands it, then it is moral (regardless of how objectively evil it seems to anyone else), and second there’s the, ‘It’s not as bad as it seems, because my god wants it this way,’ excuse for evil and suffering.
With specific regard to women in the New Testament, a selection of passages for your enjoyment (seriously, AR, have you even read it?!):
Matthew:
Jesus says that divorce is permissible when the wife is guilty of fornication. But what if the husband is unfaithful? Jesus doesn’t seem to care about that. 5:32, 19:9
Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give you a big reward. 19:29
The kingdom of heaven like ten virgins who went to meet their bridegroom. Five had oil for their lamps and five didn’t. When the bridegroom was ready for them, only the five well-oiled virgins got to have sex with him on their wedding night. The bridegroom shunned the other five, saying “Get lost. I don’t even know you.” The moral to the story is this: watch out, you never know when (or with whom) Jesus will come.25:1-13
(the emphasis of that story is more, ‘be prepared for the rapture,’ but it demonstrates that the NT writers were perfectly fine with polygamy).
Mark:
Jesus will reward men who abandon their wives and families. 10:29-30
Luke:
“They had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren.”
Oh God, another barren woman! It’s always the woman’s fault in the Bible. 1:7
Even Mary had to be “purified” after giving birth to Jesus. Was she defiled by giving birth to the Son of God? 2:22
Males are holy to God, not females. 2:23
Abandon your wife and family for Jesus and he’ll give you a big reward. 18:29-30
John:
Jesus magically perceived that a Samaritan woman had been married and divorced five times previously. (He could spot a divorced woman a mile away.) Since women weren’t allowed to get a divorce, it was always the woman’s fault and divorced women were considered outcasts. This was a great opportunity for Jesus to explain why the Mosaic marriage laws were unjust and correct them — if he thought they were wrong, that is, which apparently he didn’t. 4:7-18
Jesus tells Mary Magdalene not to touch him because he hasn’t yet ascended — as if the touch of a woman would defile him and somehow prevent him from ascending into heaven. 20:17
Acts:
If you “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,” then you and your whole family will be saved; otherwise, God will send you all to hell. 16:31
The jailer was so impressed with the holy jailbreak that he converted on the spot. He and his entire family were baptized that night. It didn’t matter to Paul (or God) what the jailer’s wife and kids thought about it. They were “his” so he could do whatever the hell he wanted with (or to) them. (This stupid story supports the idea of infant baptism, which has divided Christians for centuries.) 16:33
(apparently a woman’s salvation, or lack thereof, depends entirely on her husband… and, of course, unmarried women don’t exist).
Romans:
Paul explains that “the natural use” of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men. 1:27
1 Corinthians:
Paul would prefer that no one marry. But he says “to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife.” 7:1-2
Paul says “the head of the woman is the man,” meaning that the women are to be subordinate to men. 11:3
If a woman refuses to cover her head in church, then her her head must be shaved. 11:5-6
“A man … is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.” 11:7
“For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.” 11:8
“Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” 11:9
Women are commanded by Paul to be silent in church and to be obedient to men. He further says that “if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in church.” 14:34-35
(Great guy, that Paul).
Ephesians:
Wives must submit to their husbands “in every thing” as though they were Christ. “For the husband is the head of the wife.” 5:22-24
Wives must reverence their husband. 5:33
Colossians:
Wives, according to Paul, must submit themselves to their husbands. 3:18
1 Timothy:
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 2:11-12
Men are superior to women since Adam was made before, and sinned after, Eve. But even though women are inferior to men, they shouldn’t be discouraged because they shall “be saved in childbearing.” 2:14-15
You should help a widow only if she: has no children or nephews; is desolate, trusts in God, and prays all the time; is not living in pleasure (a widow living in pleasure is the living dead); is over 60 years old; had only one husband; has raised children; has lodged strangers; has washed the saints’ feet; has relieved the afflicted; and has diligently followed every good work. 5:3-10
Never help a young widow (one under 60 years old). When they wax wanton against Christ, they’ll get married, and be damned to hell for rejecting their faith. Besides, young widows are idle busybodies, wandering around from house to house saying things they shouldn’t say. They should get married and have children (though they’ll be damned to hell for it). Heck, some of them have already turned aside after Satan. 5:11-15
Titus:
“Teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands.” 2:4-5
1 Peter:
Peter orders all wives to be “in subjection” to their husbands. 3:1
Wives are to use “chaste conversation, coupled with fear.” They are not to braid their hair, wear gold, or put on any “apparel.” They are to do these things in imitation of the “holy” women of the Old testament who were “in subjection to their won husbands: even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord.” 3:2-6
In relation to her husband, the wife is “the weaker vessel.” 3:7
2 Peter:
Lot, who in Gen 19:8 offers his two virgin daughters to a crowd of angel rapers and later(19:30-38) impregnates them, was a “righteous man.” 2:8
(In Lot’s defense, his daughters got him drunk and raped him, because apparently they had been taught that letting one’s father’s bloodline die out is a worse crime than rape and incest).
1John:
John writes to the men (fathers) only. Women (mothers?) are not important enough to address. 2:13-14
Revelation:
Jezebel (whom God had thrown off a wall, trampled by horses, and eaten by dogs (2 Kg 9:33-37) is further reviled by John, saying “that woman Jezebel” taught and seduced God’s “servants to commit fornication.” 2:20
Jesus will “cast her [Jezebel] into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her.” 2:22
Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not “defiled with women.”) 14:1-4
source: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html
That’s not even all of it, just the juicier bits of the New Testament. The Old Testament is even more repulsive. And, lest you cry, ‘Out of Context!’ I can personally attest that these passages are pretty much described as they are taught in church.
aghogday wrote:
Yup it’s all about controlling the reproductive freedoms of womEn..AND MEN
And oh my GOD gasp..
the high priest..homosexuals..didn’t MENTION that part…
that is so reviled today..by so many so called
Christians…
that do not know the meaning of Sacred LOVE
and never ever never ever…
repressing anyone..
for the way..
GOD MADE THEM….
OR WHATEVER THE FORCES ARE
THAT GLUE THIS WHOLE THING..
TOGETHER..:)
THERE IS A LOT OF CRAP ..YES..EVEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT..
THE INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE IS ALL THERE IN THIS POST OF YOURS..
BUT still Universal truths still do remain in the New Testament2…
One would hope reasoned minded folks..who yes too..wanna do that sacred love thingy..
can separate the nuggets of crap..
from nuggets of gold….
Cause that sh** is crap….:)
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aghogday wrote:
anyway..do you mind sharing how old you are…
ArrantPariah wrote:
55
Anyway, here is a crash course in Christianity
aghogday wrote:
Thanks for the video..i don’t see any mistakes in it..great catch on your XTianity research..fishing expedition..;)
And oh boy..do i love a narrator..than can talk almost as fast as me..when i explain things in real life..:)
55 ..well..i am approaching 54..on June 6th…from my 6660 culturally deviled birth date….
And i’m really looking forward to my 55th birthday and December 6th of that birthday year..
As i will be 666 months old…
And all the sixes will be in alignment for
whatever…:)
But i’ve seriously found a way to grow younger in spirit..
and it even shows in my physical appearance..
The REAL Yogi way ..is much more mystical than anything in the OFFICIAL New Testament…
And the health benefits are real and documented as beneficial by Science….
now..which i kinda like..as i know it’s real..
as a scientist myself….
BECOMING ONE WITH THE ALL THAT IS..
is simply escaping ALL THE ILLUSIONS OF CULTURE…
I can take that for granted NOW..
but there was a time…that i was so far lost in the ‘MATRIX’ OF CULTURE..
That i did not see any way in HELL OUT OF
SERIOUS HUMAN MADE HELL..
THAT MOSTLY
I ADMITTINGLY BROUGHT UPON MYSELF…
By believing the bullshit of culture….
Instead of
finding and listening to my ‘HEART’…
AND
SOUL
AND
SPIRIT..CONNECTING THE CORE OF WHAT
i am..
with IT..
ALLITIS
So far away from the ‘left brained..
prison’..i stayed in.. so much of my life…
No doubt if you did research and wrote technical papers for the AG dept…
ya lived a ‘good’ part of ya life in that hemisphere too…
i played the piano..and created some music before i fell to total human exhaustion…
but the piano..was about the only ‘right brained’ thing..i did in my life…
that even came close to making me
a full
human being..with more than
half a brain…:)
But now i’m actually at least as much ‘right brained’ or more
than ‘left brained’…
All the tests that measure this general phenomenon.. bear that out for me too….
i can even use my left hand to reach for things falling off my back..but it’s not just a practice
of mind control..
it is also the intelligence of overall physicality..and movement in general..that i have increased by leaps and bounds..
in only 7 months or so..simply by exploring it with no holds barred..for over 600 miles now..in just the last 5 months…
As opposed to almost a complete shut in for over 60 months..ending last July..hardly able to navigate myself to an oatmeal bowl
in the kitchen cabinet..and having to watch my wife walk..just to coordinate myself to walk at Super Walmart..into the last 5 years..stuck behind a desk at work..virtually attached to the
screen of a computer…
That my friend..if i may call ya that..is remarkable…
and YES DESCRIBED AS AN ACTUAL HUMAN MIRACLE BY MY THERAPIST..WHO did everything she could to spark emotion..
in my stone cold heart..for over 2 years….
There is most definitely a ‘HIGHER’ force and energy we can connect to and utilize as human beings through the discipline of mind and body…
that is far far far away..
from the common experience of life…
in our western culture…
Western cultures..have a long way to go…
to make their inhabitants..
fully human…
there is no doubt in my mind..NOW..
that some eastern cultures..are far far far…
ahead in their established historical practices..in mind and body disciplines .. that folks too are falling away from there..
per the instant gratification..POTENTIAL IN MODERN SCREEN ‘ADDICTION’ ways of life….
IT’S NOT POSSIBLE TO BE FULLY HUMAN in my opinion..
unless one moves..at least 25 percent of waking hours….
if one does…
i do not see where depression..and bad health…
could even be…
much of a problem…
as long as that movement IS done in free flow…
like TAI CHI..
and not a straight line of movement..where the impact on joints..
is a longer term..destructive… instead of beneficial effort…
i became an old man fast at 47…to 53…
but now at 53..am healthier ..more agile..flexible..THAN I WAS AT 29 when i thought at that time..
my physical abilities peaked….
and seriously even am observed by others as floating on land when i walk…NOW..
but no…
i still am not walking on water ‘yet’ or ‘levitating’….;)
but if i do..get that ‘good’ at it..(walking)..
i’ll make sure i have my iPhone5 camera/video capability with me to capture it for evidence…
and yes..i’ll even share it here first…:)in one of my free verse poetic expressions..
of real time
philosophy….;)
And no i am not @ALL expecting to do th@…
but..most everything else NEW is most definitely almost unbelievable for me..per the reality that i have now in my
life…
so…
i
am
keeping an open mind..to any possibility..OR IMPROBABILITY In life…..
i WILL NEVER BE LOCKED AND PRISONED IN A ‘LEFT BRAINED’ WAY OF LIFE ‘ONLY’
AGAIN…
@least i hope…:)
NOT
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appletheclown wrote:
To see the bible taken and twisted to such a degree, makes me think LKL is biased.
AngelRho wrote:
Exactly my point. Also note the shift in burden of proof. This is a fairly all-too-common tactic, and I don’t think Christians should have to be feel intimidated just because an opponent knows how to copy/paste the same, tired, old attacks from sources like “Skeptics Annotated” or some such. All I’m asking is for LKL or anyone else to simply pick two verses, and you see the attacking side refuses to do even that.
It’s a simple test, and it’s quite revealing: The opponent here isn’t really interested in discussing the issue. We simply want to go on thinking we’re right, the other person is wrong, and go on smearing beliefs we disagree with. It’s easier to make it look like Christians are defeated by default, which is the whole point of the exercise. And I honestly don’t care about it that much. I have a life and don’t have time to go through every single out-of-context Biblical quote-mine. If it really meant that much, I’d have my two Bible passages by now and I’d have already shown how the other side is wrong.
I also happen to genuinely like LKL, and AP knows that. Sometimes I like playing up the comedy of the tension between us. However, my faith is a very deep, personal thing with me and not something I enjoy playing with…not that I haven’t in the past, but I’m not really comfortable with that sort of thing. I can allow myself to be bullied about it by letting someone put me on the defensive when it’s undue, I can make a joke about something I take very seriously, or I can just let it go. We Christians often dislike taking the third option, but we too often fail to recognize that we’re being set up for a trap and that ignoring a pointless discussion is really for the best.
aghogday wrote:
Well..here’s the point..your insistence that the actual practice of homosexuality..is against the ideology of Christianity..Indicates that you do not practice the true Christianity of no oppression against others who have natural differences from the norm…
It does not matter how good the new testament is as long as people practice it in real life this way…
And as much as you may try to defend this REAL LIFE PRACTICE THAT DOES HARM PEOPLE..AND POTENTIALLY LEAD SOME FOLKS TO SUICIDE FORCE FED THIS CRAP IN CHURCHES LIKE YOURS…
IT IS ALL TRULY ANTI-CHRIST IN TRUE EFFECT…
AND NOWHERE JUSTIFIED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT..
THAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON IN THIS THREAD…
SO ALL I AM ASKING YOU TO DO IS DEFEND YOUR INSISTENCE…
THAT THE MORAL AND ETHICAL ARGUMENT against THE REAL LIFE NATURAL PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TEACHINGS OF THE REAL
MAN
JESUS…
I’ll be patiently waiting for your response..no so called Christian has logically defeated me yet..
in defending this so called christian assertion…
OH..and as far as women..go..
Just the fact that most Christian sects..refuse to allow women to be preachers..and or priests..
is evidence enough on it’s own that the actual modern practice overall of Christianity.
IS STILL NOT FAIR TO WOMEN..AND NO..THERE IS NO REAL SUBSTANCE TO BACK THIS UP IN THE NEW TESTAMENT EITHER..
BUT REAL LIFE IS ALL THAT COUNTS..
NOT THE BOOK..(THE NEW TESTAMENT)
IF PEOPLE TWIST IT
TO HARM FOLKS IN REAL LIFE..
HARMING FOLKS IN REAL LIFE AND TAKING THEIR FREEDOM AWAY TO EXPRESS THEIR WILL..
IS THE GREATEST
MORTAL SIN …
OF ALL
OPPRESSION AGAINST ANY OTHER..
SAME sh** THE REAL JESUS DUDE..AND THE SO CALLED DEVIL WORSHIPPER ALEISTER CROWLEY..AND SELF ADMITTED
666 BEAST…
WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS..
TO DEAF EARS…
SOME TIMES THE DEVIL IS
THE DETAILS…
AND YES THE REAL DUDE ALEISTER CROWLEY…
VERY MUCH RESPECTED THE REAL MAN JESUS’ TEACHINGS
TOO…
IT’S ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS HE DID ALL the ‘unusual’ THINGS HE DID..in real life…
TO BRING THE FULL TRUTH..OF THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS…
TO LIGHT AGAIN…
FOR SIMPLY TRUE WILL UNDER SACRED LOVE…
FOR
ALL
And guess what it’s working..the seed of TRUTH IN ALEISTER CROWLEY’S
CORE PHILOSOPHY..AS IS THE SAME AS JESUS..and BUDDHA AND MUHAMMAD..
IS ALL OVER POP CULTURE..THROUGH THE NEW AGE REAL PROPHETS…
THAT YES DID GET THIS TRUE MESSAGE FROM ‘AL’2…
THROUGH POP SINGERS..AS ICONS.. AS PROPHETS…IN MASS COMMUNICATION…
JESUS
LIVES…
IN TRUE METAPHORICAL EFFECT..FINALLY
NOW..
FINALLY
AGAIN….
AND LIKELY FOREVERMORE
NOW…
THE TRUTH
IS THE
TRUTH…
IT’S HARD TO KILL
ONCE IT TRULY
SPRINGS
TO
LIFE..
AS LIGHT..
THE
LIGHT
OF
TRUTH
IS LIGHT!
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ArrantPariah wrote:
Yeah, but still, why are women more religious than men? Why do more women than men go to church, if the church is unfair to them? :scratches head:
aghogday wrote:
OVERALL women.. the ones that are allowed to be preachers and priests..naturally do a better job…
as they are overall genetically speaking..more effective empathic communicators….
The world would be a much much..
nicer place to live in…
if AT LEAST
50% OF PREACHERS AND PRIESTS
WERE WOMEN..
THE LIFE GIVERS..
THEY
NATURALLY
ARE…:)
IN MOST AREAS OF
LIFE.
BUT I’M A LADIES..
MAN..
WHAT CAN I SAY..
A TRUE
LADIES
MAN.
CHURCH IS ALL ABOUT LOVE..
IN OUR PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY..THE PART THAT STILL EXISTS…
it still ain’t kool for dudes…to express their overall feminine or emotional side..
so church while it hates feminine dudes..
ain’t a macho thing to do…
overall
still…
It’s a place for love.
not war
still..
overall…
oh by the way..potentially interesting factoid..my grandfather was an infamous Catholic X-Vatican priest..and historically noted author..
Who led a crusade away from Catholicism..in the middle of last century…
At 36 he married my 17 year old grandmother out of his parish..in Perry Florida…
and the rest is history…
including me…
and no he did not walk on sidewalks either..
at least not his entire life…
either….
and ironically enough i still attend the Catholic Church…for the loving sharing spirit i find there..
with my high school tennis partner who is the fully fair minded true christian priest there…NOW
but i ain’t no
Catholic..in any dogmatic affect…..
or effect..
I AM FREE
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simon_says wrote:
No problem. Sorry for the confusion. I don’t agree with all of the specific details of your stance but I do agree with the underlying sentiment.
aghogday wrote:
Ahh..details are just shells of seeds of truth…
The underlying sentiment..
IS ALL THAT TRULY COUNTS..
in my best estimation…:)
TRUTH
is AN ESSENCE..
not a detail…
or necessarily vehicle ..vessel..that carries it..
or myth
that
houses IT…
and TH@
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aghogday wrote:
Well, here’s the point. Your insistence that the actual practice of homosexuality is against the ideology of Christianity indicates that you do not practice the true Christian belief of no oppression against others who have natural differences from the norm.
As much as you may try to defend this real life practice that does harm people, and potentially lead some folks to suicide from being force fed this crap in churches like yours, it is all truly anti-christ in affect!
So all I am asking you to do is defend your insistence that the moral and ethical argument against the real life natural practice of homosexuality is consistent with the teachings of the real Jesus!
Oh, and as far as women go: Just the fact that most Christian sects refuse to allow women to be preachers, and or priests,
is evidence enough on it’s own that the actual modern practice overall of Christianity is still not fair to women. In fact, there is no real substance to back this up in the new testament either! But real life is what really counts, not the book (The New Testament)!
If people twist it to harm folks in real life, it is even worse!
Harming folks in real life and taking their freedom away to express their will, is the greatest
mortal sin of all!
Oppression of any other, is just plain horrible!
The Truth…
It is hard to kill once it truly springs to life!
appletheclown wrote:
I spiffed up your response for you.
aghogday wrote:
Well.. thanks Apple Clown..i am pleased with your input…
But i am not expecting an answer for this..question..anymore than someone who might try to prove evolution does not exist..and the earth was created 6 thousand years ago….
Homosexuality is as much a part of nature…as evolution…and a 14.8 billion year old earth…
There is an autism spectrum..a gender spectrum..and yes a friggin..sexual orientation..spectrum as well…
While some folks may lean this way or that way.. a little bit of this or that..as far as stereotyped feminine and masculine characteristics..and sexual orientation..
modern science most definitely can attribute at least 20% of homosexuality as determined by biology…
So.. in other words.. ‘GOD’ don’t create something in human nature..and then damn it to hell..that is just ridiculous..not any less
than the assertion that the friggin earth is only 6,000 years old….
But again the main point…
And from a personal perspective..while i am straight as an ARROW..and completely comfortable in my balance of masculinity
and femininity per my brain..and with an extremely masculine looking body..overall at 53…
I was in that place growing..up with a softer appearance..and constantly being accused of being homosexual..based on my..
genial nature…and over literally friggin happy to be alive..if ya wanna describe that as literally gay ..like gay happy…and know what that feels
like to be oppressed simply for who you are as a human being…
If i ever saw a person doing that to someone in real life..
they would get to hear from me..loud and clear in person..and trust me i ain’t a person that someone wants to see..angry…and yes
been there done that..and even recently in my church when a deacon tried to do this in a little rant about homosexual folks not being
able to raise kids..per biological capacity…and i ‘won’ that one easy…as everyone else kept their mouth shut except for me….and the priest….
There is really not much of anything in life that angers me..but when i see someone oppressed..with the full sociological..anthropological..psychological..and yes health science perspective of just how dangerous it can be to oppress a young person ..like they do not deserved to live ..just based on their human nature…
There is fire comes out of my eyes..and nah i don’t have to even say something..to overpower someone with my gaze….and i sure as hell ain’t got to get into any fight..as there are some human energies..that are more powerful..than even the strength of my muscles..and yes..
more powerful than an atomic bomb..and i am dead serious about that….and THAT IS part of that stuff the real Jesus dude was talking about….
SACRED LOVE.. THE MOST POWERFUL ENERGY..
IN THE LIVING UNIVERSE….
AND NO IT’S NOT ALWAYS..
POSITIVE..PER THE RECIPIENT OF IT..
WHEN THERE IS TRUE GUILT OF HARMING OTHER FOLKS…
yeah…i can turn the other cheek all day long when folks attempt to be my enemy..and call ’em friend and all of that and mean it..
But when it comes..to oppressing someone else..hell no…!
altruism..true altruism..and that Sacred Love thingy..kicks.. in…:)
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DentArthurDent wrote:
@ ArrantPariah
that crash course is a good find, it misses out some very important points but get the basics across well. I dont understand people who know this history and yet still belief jesus to be the messiah and son of god, Bizzare
aghogday wrote:
It’s bizarre…just a misunderstanding like the stuff that happens on this internet site all the time…
Jesus the real dude..referred to folks in general as sons of GOD..which is just a metaphor..that presents the bold ‘new’ idea..that is far far from new at all..
that the power of this force or energy..that some folks refer to as GOD..is within us..just waiting to be found in life…
And as far as messiah goes…that’s just a dude with an important message for humankind in general..
to help ’em out…
And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there…
have saved so many lives…
IN REAL LIFE..PER SIMPLY HOPE AND BELIEVING IN LIVING…
THAT fussing all up about..details that don’t mean anything..in real life…
is kinda ridiculous and a waste of time to me….
Just like the cake analogy..the dude in the video talked about….
ThE ONLY SON OF GOD..CRAP..IS JUST A MYTH..TO GET THOSE GREATER
TRUTHS..ACROSS..TO SAVE REAL LIVES..
DAY BY DAY…
THE TRUTH SAVES LIVES..
AND YES..THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF TRUTH..IN THE NEW TESTAMENT…
unless ya think ya are smarter..
than THOMAS JEFFERSON…
HIGHLY UNLIKELY IN MY OPINION..THAT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM IS…
Now.. that was a man..
with
real
common sense…
AND REAL FULL
INTELLIGENCE.
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aghogday wrote:
And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there…
have saved so many lives…
DentArthurDent wrote:
Really, you spoken to any Jews recently. 🙄
aghogday wrote:
Dude it’s just common sense..OR COGNITIVE EMPATHY/social cognition…if ya wanna call it that….
Wisdom saves lives..
The Jewels of Wisdom saves lives..
The Truth Saves LIVES and TRUE WISDOM
IS TRUTH…
THERE ARE NON-TRUTHS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT…
AND TRUTHS…
THAT FOR THOSE WHO CAN DISCERN…’EM..
SAVES LIVES…
TWISTED AROUND FOR HARM…
Almost any human word or human action can cause harm to another…
And by the way..
I didn’t say Christianity..the way it is practiced in reality… saved anything…
I said the Jewels of GOLD..
per this Wisdom of truth did…and DOES ..in that SACRED aspect OF THE
TEXT….in what remains of the new testament…book…
YA CANNOT SEEM TO SEE THIS IN ANYTHING ELSE BUT BLACK AND WHITE TERMS..
OF ALL BAD OR ALL GOOD..
LIFE AND TRUE REALITY IN GENERAL…AIN’T EVER THAT WAY…
IT IS ALWAYS
A MIX….
OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE…DARK OR LIGHT..
AND CONSEQUENCE OF ENERGY..
FLAVORED DARK OR LIGHT….
BY HUMAN ‘TASTE’…
in our own little minds of
illusion..
unless we can break free..
from the ‘matrix’ of
culture…
which yah..is like a camel
going through a needle..these days..
for sure…
The empirical evidence..of instant gratification..
provided as such by culture..
is more than evidence enough of this
human illusion…that is against..
all social animal nature..better suited
for intermittent gratification….
In other words..
working for life…
and if this is too long for ya to read..complicated or whatever….
i’m always talking to the audience..by far.. not just yA…
or any other single person here when i ‘speak’……
But anyway..for example …like it or not.. the atrocities..committed by Adolph Hitler..IN PART..
provided the inspiration and motivation..to develop nuclear weapons..to ultimately
end that war quicker..and save more lives..in total cost benefit analysis…
While it would be nice if the world were a perfect place of utopia…life don’t work that way..and
neither does reality…
The greatest good ..often comes out of the most horrifying of atrocities..like
the holocaust..
And in general..that sacrifice of human life..not wanted or volunteered..
Is in part now..
why..
there have been no more world wars to date…
The lives saved there…
are potentially a billion or more in effect…
just since the 1940’s…
AND those horrifying weapons of death over Japan….that
YES ended up saving more lives later..many more lives..and continuing on today…
for the threat of mutual annihilation…
Sad that humans are that tribal IN TRUE EFFECT…to inflict this type of pain on the ‘others’..
but it is
what it
is..
Until something..if possible.. changes the entire world..
into a tribe…
Now that..would take..
a lot of
LOVE..and change in the way..
homo SAPIENS sapiens..think through yes..
cultural illusion2…..
Otherwise known as the
JEWELS OF WISDOM..
THE GOLD OF TRUTH…
IDEALISTIC..
YES..
BUT STILL POSSIBLE..
TO
SOME
EXTENT…
SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN
NOTHING..ALWAYS…
BEEN THERE ..DONE THAT PART…2
TRUST ME.. YA DON’T WANT TO GO THERE…
TO TRUE HUMAN HELL….not to say ya haven’t been..
i know nothing of you here..and don’t need to…
but..i am an open book…and fearless…
Anyway..i’ll link this video..again..as Jack Nicholson plays a ‘fairly’ representative…
analogy in this movie..in what all of GOD is in reality..
‘IT’ ain’t no cake walk..
The greatest sacred aspects of life…
are often
adversity..
and breaking the so called cultural rules…in effect..
whenever…or whatever may be required for the good of
whatever tribe is perceived per human social animal nature….
and yes..
the nature and actions of culture too…that is as natural..
as the prehensile thumb and written language….negative..or positive..
dark or light..again..whatever IS the consequence.. of energy..dark or light..positive or negative..
AND..
what may taste ‘right’ in ‘flavor’ of consequence of energy..for whatever culture is in effect and the human beings..
comprising ‘IT’…
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aghogday wrote:
And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there…
have saved so many lives…
DentArthurDent wrote:
Really, you spoken to any Jews recently. 🙄
aghogday wrote:
Dude it’s just common sense..
Max000 wrote:
No DUDE it is not common sense. It’s not even true.
Millions upon millions of people have been murdered because of that rotten horrid book, and are still being murdered because of it. Far greater numbers then have been saved by it, if any have actually been saved by it.
Doctor Killed During Abortion Protest
By William Booth
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 11, 1993; Page A01
PENSACOLA, FLA., MARCH 10 — A doctor was shot to death outside his abortion clinic here today when a man who prayed for the physician’s soul stepped forward from a group of antiabortion protesters and opened fire, according to police and witnesses.
David Gunn, 47, was shot three times in the back after he got out of his car at the Pensacola Women’s Medical Services clinic, according to Pensacola police. He died during surgery at a local hospital.
Doctor Killed During Abortion Protest
aghogday wrote:
Well yah..no doubt..but apparently ya didn’t read what i wrote…
i’m talking about the gems of wisdom and truth that are housed among all the myths..and YES..UNTRUTHS..THAT EXIST IN THAT BOOK…
BUT NAH..AS I SAY OVER AND OVER AND OVER ON THIS SITE..FOR MANY FOLKS WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY IN THINKING IN ANYTHING BUT STRUCTURED BLACK AND WHITE THINKING…
THIS IS A GRAY DEAL..NOT A BLACK AND WHITE ONE..
THERE IS POSITIVE ..NEGATIVE..DARK AND LIGHT..ACTION..CONSEQUENCE..HUMAN TASTED AND FLAVORED ENERGY..IN ALMOST ANY HUMAN EFFORT…
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS COST/BENEFIT..IF YA WANNA GET BACK IN THAT STRUCTURED WAY OF THINKING…
That can be approximated as such..as gray..if one spends enough time and conscienTIOUS effort..
PURSUING THE WHOLE STORY..NOT JUST…
the known facts…
That’s common sense..AKA cognitive empathy..AKA social cognition..
A huge VALUED human attribute..and necessary component of life..a little harder for many autistic folks..
to get at…
But after 5 decades of some serious research on that..
i
have
arrived not only at the top of the class in high school with three academic college degrees ..two in liberal arts and one in science…
But a friggin brain for social cognition/cognitive empathy..
otherwise known as human common sense….
to really
get
the whole
dam
story…..
in a FULLY INTELLIGENT WAY…..
NAH ONE DOESN’T FULLY RATIONALLY/EMOTIONALLY THROW THE DAM BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER..JUST CAUSE THERE IS SOME DIRTY WATER IN THERE…
WITH THE VALUABLE BABY…
GEMS AND ALL..AND GOLD TRUTHS OF WISDOM…
IF YA GET THE METAPHOR….
HUMAN TRUTH/WISDOM
IS
PRICELESS…
AND YES..A FEW MILLION FOLKS IS NOTHING IN COMPARISON..
TO THE BILLIONS OF LIVES SAVED THROUGHOUT TIME..AS
AN INDIRECT AND DIRECT RESULT OF THE COLLECTION OF HUMAN
WISDOM/TRUTH..OF FULL COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE…
NO MATTER WHAT THE FRIGGIN SOURCE..IS..
WHICH IS MOST ALWAYS..AT LEAST..
A LITTLE IMPERFECT…
GRANTED.. HUMANS REALLY AREN’T COMPUTERS….:)
ARE THEY..?
IF YA ANSWER YES..
WELL..
THAT’S AT LEAST PART OF THE PROBLEM.. AS I USUALLY STATE HERE..
AGAIN…AND
AGAIN.
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ArrantPariah wrote:
Looking again at that bit about Jesus and the Samaritan woman
John 4 wrote:
The Pharisees heard that Jesus was winning and baptizing more disciples than John. Actually, Jesus himself did not baptize anyone; only his disciples did. So when Jesus heard what was being said, he left Judea and went back to Galilee; on his way there he had to go through Samaria.
In Samaria he came to a town named Sychar, which was not far from the field that Jacob had given to his son Joseph. Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired out by the trip, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
A Samaritan woman came to draw some water, and Jesus said to her, “Give me a drink of water.” ( His disciples had gone into town to buy food.)
The woman answered, “You are a Jew, and I am a Samaritan—so how can you ask me for a drink?” (Jews will not use the same cups and bowls that Samaritans use.)
Jesus answered, “If you only knew what God gives and who it is that is asking you for a drink, you would ask him, and he would give you life-giving water.”
“Sir,” the woman said, “you don’t have a bucket, and the well is deep. Where would you get that life-giving water? It was our ancestor Jacob who gave us this well; he and his children and his flocks all drank from it. You don’t claim to be greater than Jacob, do you?”
Jesus answered, “Those who drink this water will get thirsty again, but those who drink the water that I will give them will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give them will become in them a spring which will provide them with life-giving water and give them eternal life.”
“Sir,” the woman said, “give me that water! Then I will never be thirsty again, nor will I have to come here to draw water.”
“Go and call your husband,” Jesus told her, “and come back.”
“I don’t have a husband,” she answered.
Jesus replied, “You are right when you say you don’t have a husband. You have been married to five men, and the man you live with now is not really your husband. You have told me the truth.”
“I see you are a prophet, sir,” the woman said. “My Samaritan ancestors worshiped God on this mountain, but you Jews say that Jerusalem is the place where we should worship God.”
Jesus said to her, “Believe me, woman, the time will come when people will not worship the Father either on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans do not really know whom you worship; but we Jews know whom we worship, because it is from the Jews that salvation comes. But the time is coming and is already here, when by the power of God’s Spirit people will worship the Father as he really is, offering him the true worship that he wants. God is Spirit, and only by the power of his Spirit can people worship him as he really is.”
The woman said to him, “I know that the Messiah will come, and when he comes, he will tell us everything.”
Jesus answered, “I am he, I who am talking with you.”
At that moment Jesus’ disciples returned, and they were greatly surprised to find him talking with a woman. But none of them said to her, “What do you want?” or asked him, “Why are you talking with her?”
Then the woman left her water jar, went back to the town, and said to the people there, “Come and see the man who told me everything I have ever done. Could he be the Messiah?” So they left the town and went to Jesus….
…Many of the Samaritans in that town believed in Jesus because the woman had said, “He told me everything I have ever done.” So when the Samaritans came to him, they begged him to stay with them, and Jesus stayed there two days.
Many more believed because of his message, and they told the woman, “We believe now, not because of what you said, but because we ourselves have heard him, and we know that he really is the Savior of the world.”
I think that what is really going on here is another swipe at the Jews. Something like the Good Samaritan story of Luke. Through much of John, the Jews are presented as evil, and as responsible for the death of Jesus. (At least the Pharisees, who were basically the only Jews left in the Roman Empire, after the Roman war, and when John was written). In this passage, the Samaritans appear to be basically good people who were easy converts to Christianity.
During the first century, there was quite a lot of animosity between the Jews and the Samaritans. After the Roman War, when the region was depopulated of Jews, this animosity was moot. But, still useful to drive home the message: “See? Even the Samaritans are better than the Jews!”
Matthew and Mark have Jesus saying: “No divorce! Unless she commits adultery!” John doesn’t get into that. So, if some of the Samaritan woman’s previous husbands had divorced her, then it would seem that Jesus was cool with that. Heck, John’s Jesus was even cool with this woman living with a man with whom she wasn’t married, after five husbands. 8)
aghogday wrote:
YES AND APPARENTLY JESUS WAS A SOCIO-SEX-PSYCHOLOGIST A head of his time…
With the if ya look at THE ‘OTHER’ HUMANS with lust ya commit adultery…
What he was saying there ..IS.. guess what..
everyone lusts…
so in effect everyone commits adultery..using them social mirror neurons and all of that..
whether ONE insertS the A into the V or not…
So basically lusting ain’t a friggin sin..that’s just so yesterday..ya knowNOW and really just basic human nature..for them human juices of horniness..HORMONES..to be flowing freely most of the day…
Anyway it explains all that make up on the evangelical PREACHER MAN’S WIFE’S face…AND TIGHT..SHAPELY DRESS…
to turn on the congregation..and keep ’em creative..and filling the tills with green..
SO YAH…
When it comes right down to it..
WE AS HUMAN BEINGS..OVER.. ALL .. ARE ALL FRIGGIN PROSTITUTES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION…
WHETHER IT IS
T
OR
A
OR
P
OR WHATEVER GETS THE JOB FULLY DONE..
THAT GAME OF LIFE..
YANOWNOW…:)
THAT INCLUDES LUST…FOR BASIC HUMAN CREATION ACTIVITY..
ALL OF IT..YAH..
THAT STUFF CALLED
CREATIVITY….
AND YES..AS MENTIONED EARLIER IT’S A SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHED PHENOMENAL
FINDING…
AND NO.. THAT’S NOT A symbolic REPRESENTATION OF JESUS..AS FAR AS I KNOW..IN THAT VIDEO THUMBNAIL IN THE PG RATED DOCUMENTARY LINKED ABOVE…designed only
to get folks attention..to view the documentary….
yah..sex sells everywhere..
even
in
advertising..
science..documentaries..
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ehymw wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this for a while and realized that in many (not all) ways Forrest’s relationship with Jenny and Lt. Dan becomes Christ like.
Examples: He wants to help and protect them both,
he lets them go their own way,
and he see’s them for WHO they are not what they are.
Are there other similarities?
aghogday wrote:
This is one of my favorite of all time movies..and i think in a way..Forrest could even be part of at least a broader autism phenotype..per his characteristics..in the movie..
More than anything else Forrest did not show personal judgement against other folks..and he treated all folks like his neighbor..loving them like his mother..his dearest mother…
And he was never concerned with worldly riches..and lived in the heaven of the moment..
never asking why or needlessly worrying about life…
No doubt in my mind..that this was part of the writer’s intention..in authoring this story…
The only thing that Forrest didn’t do..is get people calling him GOD..get a virgin birth..get nailed to a cross..or walking on water…
But he made a huge difference in the real lives of folks..in a healing manner..
whether it was the gift of insights..or helping his neighbor…and caring more about them..
than his life alone..
He was a true hero..and that is how at least some folks in the movie..described him..as such…
and that is probably how at least some people looked at the real man Jesus..
while he was alive…2:)
Also of note to me..is the ‘Dude’ in the ‘Big Lebowski’ movie..with more direct references..in the actual movie..to the ‘dude abides’….and living separate from the ‘sinners’….
And in the newest movie Superman..the Man of Steele..there seem to me more indirect references..in this movie than any of the older big screen movies…
Anyway..movies worth watching..
for folks in movies..who truly live
life…in the heaven of NOw..
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ArrantPariah wrote:
Regarding women in the church, there is a little bit of a discrepancy between the two
AngelRho wrote:
Not really…unless you count two completely separate things as a discrepancy. 😕
ArrantPariah wrote:
1 Corinthians 11 wrote:
any woman who prays or proclaims God’s message in public worship with nothing on her head disgraces her husband
The woman can go ahead and preach, as long as she is wearing a hat.
AngelRho wrote:
Has nothing to do with it. I don’t imagine attitudes among classes have really changed much in the past few thousand years, and dress conventions seem to always have been part of the dialogue. I don’t think we can know for certain what practice this refers to, but there are a couple of possibilities. First, women of higher social standing might have had elaborate headdresses or some kind of ornament that indicated who they were…it was basically a display of wealth. Since equality among believers is emphasized, it would have been appropriate for wealthy women to wear some kind of head covering in order to subdue flashy hair ornaments that others would have found distracting or demoralizing. Another possibility might have had to do with the association of certain types of headwear with temple prostitution or some other pagan practice. Even if it were an innocent practice, outsiders might have found it misleading, indicating perhaps tacit approval of other pagan practices. I forget where it’s written, but there is something to the effect that a woman should cut her hair if she’s serving under specific circumstances, and I think it’s related to that.
ArrantPariah wrote:
1 Timothy 2 wrote:
Women should learn in silence and all humility. I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet.
The women have to shut up, even if they do have a hat.
AngelRho wrote:
Again, talking about completely different things here. And I already addressed this. Anyone who wishes to learn should keep quiet and listen to instruction. I mean, this apparently applies equally to men as well as women, which leads me to wonder what was going on that Paul felt the need to emphasize its relevance to women.
aghogday wrote:
OH god..people who want to learn should keep quiet and listen to instruction…
That’s called censorship…
in our modern times…
To question..
is the true
path
to
knowledge..
to silence..is the
path of censorship…
and stuff like
the holocaust…
crucifixions..and other stuff like that…
Please..women were told to wear headdresses..to cover their sexy hair..
thereby lessening the chance..that any other man
would get in their
pants…
Same sh** that still goes on in Muslim countries..
and yes..
even a few ‘broads’..that are still repressed..like this..
in my Catholic..church..currently..
living in the dark ages..
and all of that..covered up and such…like a dark full bodied condom…
So so..so much..
just..
common sense…
It shouldn’t really take a ‘rocket scientist’ to figure this out..
and perhaps that is usually because..
‘they’ don’t have as ‘much’
common sense as ‘most’
other
folks…
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DentArthurDent wrote:
Kraichgauer so you think that an organisation/belief which has as its founding writings forgeries demanding the ‘truth’, which deliberately lied and conspired to defeat its Orthodox jewish detractors to the point of pograms. Which whilst discarding the ancient jewish laws still maintains them when it suits, especially the really nasty vindictive stuff, which is homophobic, which does denigrate women, which does promote and support war, which does prevent advances in medicine, which does attempt to subvert the teaching of facts, as ok because it is not as bad as it used to be, and it does after all, do some good?
You seem to attribute a kind of blood price to christianity, ie there is a price to pay for the good it does. Well I am sorry but I think the blood price is far too high.
But we digress, the point of me bringing up anti semitism in the first place was to counter Aghod’s claim that why should it matter that much in the gospels have dubious/forged authorship. After all, whoever wrote them the gospels have never hurt anyone. To paraphrase ‘its commonsense dude’. This is a position held from ignorance, it fails to see the harm done by writers claiming to be Paul, Peter, Nicodemus etc. These authors wrote in a time of turmoil and used the names of respected authors to get their perspective heard and the result has been untold misery.
The christians you rail against are not aberrant, they are a product of the religion itself. What do you expect from a collection of random stories, written by ghost authors who, faking their identity attack and contradict each other. Remember the start of this part of the discussion where you were surprised to learn that there was any dispute over the authorship of the Pauline letters? Guess you need to do some reading and understand the origins of your religion.
aghogday wrote:
Dude..it’s all about looking at the biggest picture possible..IF YA EVEN can OR WILL…
It seems to me ya are so mired in details..
i’m not sure how ya could find ya WAY to THE LIGHT OF FULL TRUTH like this..
As i too..was once ‘SUNK’ in similar shoes…
It’s simply outstanding in my opinion..to lose details..
in favor of the much..much…much..
larger..panorama photo…
of
OVERALL
HUMAN
TRUTH(
S)
BUT FOR ONE THAT DOES NOT LIVE
‘THERE’
IT SIMPLY DON’T
EXIST..
UNTIL THERE IS a breakthrough..
now or whENever..or who knows..
perhaps..
never…
that part..i hope more for you..than
that..seriously…
it ain’t no fun living in the dark of that fuller human pan ‘aroma’
of
TRUTH
BEEN THERE DUNIT..
AIN’T GOIN
BACK..THERE..
NEVER EVER NEVER
..I CERTAINLY
HOPE..
NOT
IN
ANY
WAY..
anyway…
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Angelrho wrote:
I don’t necessarily AGREE with you on the issue, but I’ve long let that go. There are more important issues than who you fall in love with/are attracted to/have sex with when it comes to the church.
aghogday wrote:
Well..i’m glad to here you are open to the idea of differences..among human beings like this…
As to what religion i am part of…i go to the Catholic church.. the one i was raised in..every Sunday morning..attend southern baptist gospel singings regularly with my wife and her friend…but adhere to no religious structured dogma in life..at all..
I consider myself a part of the human race..that is connected with the GOD that is ALL..
I’m comfortable in any church as a visit..although i would not go to any church regularly that openly promoted any oppression toward any natural segment of society..other religions..sexual orientations or whatever..
Seriously the way i connect with GOD the best..is through an elaborate..free style method of dance walking up to 20 miles a day..that allows me the similar type of oneness and connection with Universal love that Yogi’s experience…
And i use musicK in all fashion..for resonances..of chakra balance..with the movement as one…and i love to sing in church..in this same way of Universal connection…
So in effect..my religion moreover than anything else..is musicK and dance..
as a way of life..
And i make everything..and yes i do mean everything in life sacred..in the NOW
Even the disagreements..that i have with diverse individuals..on almost anything…
The greatest thing in the world to me..is the literal balance of life..nature..and overall GOD…
Every step for me..in any type of movement..or song…is a sacred balance for that
way…
And while many people here would pooh pooh..it as simply coincidence…and random chance…
i do have personal proof…that GOD communicates with me and others..through what JUNG described as Synchronicity..for as close to science as that currently gets…which i do believe is natural..but just beyond the current purview of science…
But again..my communication with GOD is movement..musick and song…
It’s a very cozy relationship in the now..WITH GOD…
Literally in
deed…
AND REQUIRES ABSOLUTELY NO so called intellectual KNOWLEDGE..
and very little abstract language…
JUST THE FLOW..OF BEING AS ONE
WITH ALLITIS…
BUT TO GET THERE..AT LEAST FOR
ME.. WAS
IN PART..
LITERALLY HELL…TRUE HUMAN HELL…
i plan on staying in that other place in the NOW..forevermore..NOW…
GOD willing…
with my
WILL…
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AngelRho wrote:
Oh, almost forgot…
I feel much the same way about music. The ironic thing is discordant music communicates to me more so than conventional harmonies, so I spend a lot of time composing that kind of music. I’m taking more of a spectral approach with my own compositions, i.e. textural/timbral considerations take a higher priority than melody/harmony/rhythm. Each individual large-scale work I’m doing seems to be lasting around 2 hours, and it’s intended to be more of a meditative activity than anything else.
I’m too uncomfortable in my own skin to dance. But music…yeah… 8)
aghogday wrote:
Well..i too was very uncomfortable in my own skin..particularly when i was tied down to a desk job..and when i was completely disabled and could hardly raise my arms without almost passing out…
I really think a practice of spiraling reverse walking could help many autistic folks with their difficulties with motor skills..and generally speaking feeling comfortable in their own..skin…
This is truly the first time in my life at 53..that i have ever felt completely free and comfortable in my own skin…
And yes..i do enjoy discordant musicK at times too..the dark is often motivation for the light for me..
And in general that is how i view the negative in any type of dark leaning life experiences…..simply as fuel to reach higher positive light..:)..
in the longest runs of life..light..and LOVE..altogether as
ONE..:)
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AngelRho wrote:
IF it’s a Mithraic import, which I kinda doubt, but whatever… Agreed there’s no basis in Judaism, but there need not be. Hebrew tradition is for the Hebrews. I’m not a Jew, and every Jew I ever knew discouraged me from converting, stating that a Gentile converting to Judaism isn’t necessary and might be more trouble than it’s worth. The Laws of Noah are sufficient for righteousness for Gentiles. I don’t find a cross-cultural tradition for communion to be problematic at all.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, drinking blood isn’t exactly consistent with keeping kosher.
Anyway, Paul experienced some sort of a fantastic vision involving Jesus, and was convinced that Jesus was going to come back at any moment, to cart his followers off to Heaven, or some such thing. Paul saw it as his responsibility to persuade as many people as possible that they should join him and Jesus in Heaven. So, he probably didn’t see much point in quibbling too much over trivialities.
As Jesus said
John 4 wrote:
Believe me, woman, the time will come when people will not worship the Father either on this mountain or in Jerusalem.
I don’t know about the Samaritan mountain, but Jews did stop worshipping in Jerusalem, and their worship services were never the same. No more barbecues. Some Christians might take this to signify that God wants to be worshipped in their churches now. But, Paul pointed out
1 Corinthians 6 wrote:
Don’t you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and who was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourselves but to God.
There is no need for any church, or any set of beliefs. No church can save anybody. Church is just for chasing after wind. Your own body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Your destiny is entirely up to you and no-one else.
aghogday wrote:
Well.. that ‘1 Corinthians 6’ sounds very much like the whole concept of the Whole of the Law is True Will Under LOVE for doing as thou Wilt..\ by Aleister Crowley..the ‘evil beast dude’….in his short internet available and easily accessible ‘The Book of the Law’..’visionary’ paper..’Horus’ inspired as such…
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm
So i guess the Apples don’t fall far from
the snake…;)or Egyptian ‘SON GOD’…as such:)
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ArrantPariah wrote:
The Dictionary wrote:
rape
noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object), raped, rap·ing.
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
verb (used without object), raped, rap·ing.
9. to commit rape.
It doesn’t even say anything about objectification.
aghogday wrote:
Well..i think in general..when it comes to human relationships..that the woman or man as object..is associated with an object to get pleasure from…that is divorced from the emotional aspect of human beings..in basic emotional connection…
A person can certainly have intercourse while feeling no emotional attachment to the recipient of the intercourse…but some folks simply don’t feel a lot of emotions..anyway..
and pretty much just wanna get stimulated to orgasm..men and women included….
And yes..i think that too..is perhaps an unfortunate part of life..and yes even for those individuals that lack a full range of emotions..in itself…
I’ve been to both places in life..strong and complex emotions…
and very little at all..just enough to breathe really..and keep going…
And what i can say for sure..
is sex is pretty empty..with no giving emotions attached..
It is the desolate emptiness..of a heartless and soulless human being..
An orgasm..really doesn’t last that long…
But sacred Love can truly last forevermore now…
And i am dead serious like a scientist about this..
It’s real..
it ain’t no fairy tale..
and better than several orgasms..at one time…
for me at least…
For those who objectify others..as pieces of meat to get off on..
They are the ones..truly in hell..
There is just no reference point in hell to understand.
what heaven ..is…
And it dam sure ain’t an orgasm..all by itself..that ain’t nothing in comparison..
to the heaven of the bliss of sacred love..but…
again..in only my personal experience..and MUCH FULLER REALITY NOW..THAN JUST 7 MONTHS AGO..IN TRUE Human hell…but instead now…
now…in the bliss of heaven..instead of that abyss called
hell…
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DentArthurDent wrote:
@ 91 I don’t really see why are you getting into such a flap about me questioning the veracity of the NT authorship? You are behaving like a barrister who has just been presented with evidence without prior notice.
Ehrman is hardly the only theologian to raise these issues, he is but a long line of biblical scholars who have questioned the authorship of some of the canonical texts in the bible. You berating me for raising the spectre of biblical forgery as if it is the perspective of a select, marginalised few, is really disingenuous. I have not discussed his views on Jesus, or his issue with god and suffering, nor have I talked about the Jesus seminar of which, in my reading of him so far, he has only criticised. I have simply put up the widely held view that many of the canonical stories in the NT are of dubious /forged authorship.
I did this in response to Aghogdays statement that nothing bad has come from the gospels. I submit that there was a concerted effort by the Christians during the disputes between the jews and the Christians to have all of the Jews blamed for the death of Christ, and that this claim of deicide has led to many hundreds of thousands of deaths. The gospels of Mathew and Luke are most definitely anti-semitic, the broader question is why and on whose authority were they written.
From what I understand there is no historical evidence to back up the claims of the christians that Pilot tried to save the life of Jesus and that the gave way to placate the a jewish backlash. So the question why? arises. This is fairly easy, the charge of deicide and the idea that god had forsaken the jews for this, helped give Christianity the edge it needed. As to the authorship of these texts as you know quite well, 91, most biblical scholars agree that the claimed authorship of the accounts of Jesus’ trial are forged or at the very least questionable. Does the authorship matter? of course it does. If I, Dent, claimed Pilate was aghast at the demands of the jews and gave way only to prevent a riot, who will give it credence, if on the other hand I state that I am writing as an apostle or a close companion then my testament gains far greater credibility.
aghogday:
Woah..dude..you are putting words in my mouth here..stating that i stated “nothing bad has come from the gospels.”
I never said anything like that on this website..in fact i have over and over again..stated that there was crap added in with the New Testament..that one must discern out of it..and that yes people have died and committed suicide.. as a cost of the crap in the New Testament..and the way it is interpreted…as well as the Old Testament MOREOVER…
If i stated IT you could quote IT but NO..i DO have close to a photographic memory..and hell no i ain’t never said this anywhere.. not here on this site or anywhere else…AND YAH..that’s pretty impressive (the photographic memory and all of that) considering i’ve written about literally 5 million words on this website..in the last 3 years or so..if ya care to count
em..
i am able to discern the crap out of the new testament since i was a small child..
It’s almost like i was a true author of it..or some METAPHOR..like that…
😉
Dude use common sense..PLEASE..IF YA CAN OR IF YA WILL..AGAIN…
i’m more of a free lance Zen Master than anything else…AIN’T THAT FRIGGIN CLEAR YET..:)
and no
human ideology or
cultural form
controls
me..
not even
ZEN
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aghogday wrote:
Woah..dude..you are putting words in my mouth here..stating that i stated “nothing bad has come from the gospels.”
DentArthurDent wrote:
My apologies you did not. To set the record straight this is what you did say.
“And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there…
have saved so many lives”
Which whilst this may be true, I have tried to say that they have brought death to others.
aghogday wrote:
Thanks i appreciate that ..and to be clear again i also stated that the crap needed to be discerned out of it too..
Yah..see i am statistician..and i did all the math on this..in metaphor…
If even a million folks died..as a result of the crap infused in the New Testament..and the old testament put together..
Just the benefit to poor folks around the world that are currently getting fed..by the Catholic church..is enough to respect the current effort..
I live today..NOW
yesterday is so gone…
then..
forevermore NOW
is wHere i live…
Just.. means i’m always mindfully aware..
and don’t fish in negative waters…
I always do my best to find a glass half full..
And the evidence is more than half full…for the overall..
TOTAL EFFECT AND AFFECT OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION…
BUT that’s just
math..
per cost
and
benefit…
BUT extremely hard to open closed minds..
that don’t visit the entire world wide churches..
associated with Christianity..
AND the
financial reports..goals..and mission met…(that sacred love thingy)
to help folks who are less fortunate..than the western ..so called.. civilized
counterparts…:)
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aghogday wrote:
Yeah..the world’s a dirty place..we have to kill to eat..like every other carnivore or omnivore…
That’s reality…
And repressing any part of human nature..including those with a greater propensity to eat animal protein..is a sure path to human suffering…
I’m not going to force another omnivore out of my species to eat only vegetables..reducing their natural occurring androgens..which are necessary for vitality in life..
nor are they going to limit my consumption..either..
That’s fair…
More respect for animals that we do kill to feed us would be great in giving them a better life..like what Temple Grandin has done through her innovative..ideas…
Humans were hunter and gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years…
This agriculture thingy..is pretty new stuff..
And lots of folks are in indeed suffering from it..already..from reduced testosterone levels..gluten intolerances..and a whole range of other issues..for a diet..that is actually too high in vegetable and grain products..for what the reality of what we ARE evolved for…PARTICULARLY friggin SUGAR…
And some human animals..DO have a greater need for animal protein than others..
There is no rule for human nature that fits all..
And i can tell ya..this..as a 222LB MUSCULAR.. very hairy male..with big canine teeth..
i AM evolved to eat meat..
And i ain’t IGNORANT.. enough to go against mother
nature…
No matter what anyone’s philosophy may say different…
ON THEIR P’s and Q’s on what people should do in their WILL to
survive..a TRULY HEALTHY LIFE..
WE ARE NOT HERE TO SUFFER…FOR MORALS..
THAT’S FOR SURE….
BUT SURE GO AHEAD IF YA WILL..
BUT LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR THAT FOR ME..
and I DO LOVE TO SINK MY CANINE TEETH INTO ANIMAL FAT…
MY EYES ROLL BACK IN MY HEAD SOMETIMEs…
But i don’t play games and pretend i am better than any other
friggin omnivore on this earth..to mind those
P’s and Q’s….
And i’m glad someone else is killing the animals for me..that’s hard work..
and i do not personally wanna kill any animal…
So i’m not gonna judge ’em for how they do it..
if i can’t do it..
myself.
I EAT MEAT.
I AM A MEAT EATER.
vegetables are ok ..now and then….
Oh..and here’s some research too..that debunks myths about
why Veganism is better than
human nature..
http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reasons-why-vegan-diets-are-a-terrible-idea/
And no i do not eat other human beings..
but..
i haven’t been faced with starvation yet..
either..
so….
i do not know what i would do…
if i was all snowed in ..in the mountains in a plane crash..
or
any of that..
One thing for sure is…
i do not want to do that..anymore than
i wanna give up
meat..
That’s fair too…
enough
for
me….
And as i get older i eat less beef..
more chicken and seafood..
simply cause i don’t have a desire to eat it..
as much..
Nature gives us built in clues and cues..
if we listen to our bodies..
a failure to that..
is also a great source..
of
human suffering..
I’ll go with nature..
almost..
every
time..
over bullshit..any day
of
the
week….
but i don’t eat bullshit..either…
no need for it other than..
fertilizer….
for
flowers and vegetables..
and
all that other
stuff..
in nature’s
cycle
of
life..
Before i eat some more
meat….as furnished as such by..
overall nature..and
human
nature..
to eat
meat.
AND oh by the way..here is proof enough..i cannot stick with veggies…
I am wild human being..animal..
not a grain fed domesticated one…
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The greatest thing about folks with intellectual disabilities is they often live a life of unconditional love..not sullied by abstract language ..collective intelligence..that comes from the illusions that culture brings…
They often share this love freely..impacting the life of others..for the rest of their lives..knowing..that yes love does actually exist unconditionally somewhere at least..
But for those who are cold of heart or soul…
They can often cannot see this..
So for them..the intellectually disabled may seem worthless..
Never knowing that the true secret of the greatest riches of all..
Is the sacred love..that many folks with intellectual disabilities..
live
their entire life….and share with others..as
well…improving their life and love..in a priceless way..
Dude or dudette..whatever may be the gender..39% of autistic folks have an intellectual disability..
this ain’t the place to make remarks like this about folks with intellectual disability..
of course it is offensive..no matter what you say you intend..
but i for one will not overlook it..
while you attempt to save a cow..
for lunch…
ya missing something..bigger than beef..perhaps…
it seems….
or IQ..the kind that is not measured on standard tests…
The greatest IQ of all is IN emotional intelligence..
often quite high among folks..who score low
on them..culturally created IQ tests….
Never dismiss love..if ya will…
as unproductive..biggest mistake..ever..made..
by any human being.. and the most unintelligent one..
ever..
for sure..2
And yes it is possible to love and respect a domesticated animal for food..
and kill it and eat for food as well..
The American Indians did this for tens of thousands of years..
And so do some farmers..and hunters still….
It’s just a matter of respect..AND SACRED NATURAL LOVE OF ALL OF NATURE…THE HARD PARTS AND THE EASIER PARTS…
And understanding THE ALL of nature..THE WAY IT REALLY IS..and not trying to make it into
a contrived CULTURAL illusion….by silly little human ants…
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hyena wrote:
I apologize for not being more sensitive. I did not mean to hurt disabled people with that comment. But as a matter of fact there are mentally challenged humans whose abilities are similar to some animals. Now that is a fact, I am not making this up. If we discriminated against animals based on ability then we would have to discriminate against these humans too which would be evil! I am opposing ableism.
aghogday wrote:
Interesting..that while you support the rights of animals to live..that you put them in a subordinate place with humans ..simply as animals do not have abstract language..a written language for collective intelligence..or culture as a whole..
Verbal language..is not something that is only inherent to human beings…
Complex language..as a result of alphabets..written language.. bringing abstract concepts..and creature comforts..can be a great thing..
but on the other hand..the truth is..people who are of so called higher IQ’s on standard testing..also have higher levels of anxiety..suicide..and overall problems in life that are emotional related as opposed…
..to folks who are considered intellectually disabled..who do not meet the standard of typical western culture IQ tests..
The issue really is ..abstract language..is a construct of collective intelligence and culture…
Some folks do better than other folks..acquiring the ability to grasp abstract concepts..
Other folks do not..therefore they don’t do as well on standard intelligence testing..
However..here’s the thing…that maybe you didn’t get in my statement..and an overall truth about social animals in general..
They connect to each other ..they cooperate..they support each other…for overall survival…
Just because someone scores low on an standardized intelligence test..
Does not mean a human like this cannot be productive in sharing the greatest human asset of all..EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE..and enhancing it and DEMONSTRATING IT..for the survival of the species as a whole..and the fact that our domesticated dogs and cats..do indeed serve the similar purpose..in an inter-species dependent support system…to allow both species a better chance to survive with emotional support from both species..put animals on A SIMILAR level of importance as human beings..in this real REQUIRED ABILITY IN LIFE ..OVERALL..TO SURVIVE..
But this is part of emotional intelligence..TO EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS….
In reality..many folks on this site..are disabled in emotional intelligence..and cannot provide this type of support to their fellow human beings..THAT IS .. COGNITIVE EMPATHY .. ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED….FOR ANOTHER PERSON..
IF A DOG GROOMS ANOTHER DOG…
OR A MONKEY PICKS THE NITS OFF ANOTHER MONKEY..
THEY ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE IN EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE..
THAN SOME HUMANS WITH 140 TO 160 IQ’S…THAT HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DEMONSTRATE EMPATHY
FOR THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS..OR JUST DON’T HAVE THE DESIRE OR INSTINCTUAL DRIVE TO DO IT..AS A BUILT IN NORMAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE…
THIS TYPE OF DEMONSTRATION OF EMPATHY IS NECESSARY FOR ANY SOCIAL ANIMAL SPECIES TO SURVIVE..OVERALL…
AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY..DOES NOT MEAN A PERSON IS HANDICAPPED IN THIS AREA AT ALL..IN FACT THEIR DEFICITS IN STANDARD TESTING OF IQ..MAY ACTUALLY ACCENTUATE THEIR ABILITY TO
BETTER FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE KNOWLEDGE ..SKILLS..AND ABILITIES..
TO BETTER HELP THE SPECIES FOR OVERALL SURVIVAL..PER THE MOST BASIC OF ALL HUMAN NEEDS..
THE DEMONSTRATION OF EMPATHY…
Many Autistic folks have no clue why this is so important…
Ergo..Emotional intelligence disability..EVERY BIT AS SERIOUS A HANDICAP ..
AS WHAT MOST PEOPLE REFER TO AS INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY…
AND part of WHY AUTISM IS CONSIDERED A LEGAL DISABILITY..
THE INABILITY TO PROPERLY DEMONSTRATE EMPATHY FOR OTHER FOLKS IN EVERY DAY LIFE…
THROUGH RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION.
AND to be clear i do not assume you understand this prior to my statement here…
Lots of folks do not..understand just how important it is to..actually practice skills in ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATING EMPATHY FOR OTHER FOLKS THROUGH RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION…
THE BRAIN IS AN INCREDIBLE neuroplastic and epigenetic tool..for change..if adequately challenged for adaptation…
but use or lose it applies..as in most area of life…
Live a life in mechanical cognition..opposed to social cognition.. and the social cognition aspect of life can wither a way…
Live a life in social cognition..opposed to mechanical cognition..and the mechanical cognition aspect of life can wither a way..
A balance IS best..and realistically indicative of the best chance..at success in life…in our extremely complex culture…
Science now indicates that there are these two pathways of the brain..one for social cognition..otherwise known as cognitive empathy and the ability to demonstrate empathy for other human beings…
And one for mechanical cognition..the intelligence of solving algebra problems..and building pizzas…
When one pathway is exercised in the brain..the other is repressed…
So folks who keep their ‘nose stuck in facts’ MOST all their life..
Really just don’t have the opportunity..to FULLY become a human being..
It’s simple math really…or common sense…
However..it takes common sense to understand it..
And often folks lacking in social cognition..strengths..and in effect emotionally ‘slow’ or ‘retarded’ if one wants to use that word some folks find offensive…don’t have the common sense..also known as cognitive empathy to understand this…
so it can be a vicious cycle without lots of remediated effort..like one of those ‘slow classes’ for math in school…
To learn to be a human being…
And hell no..i know it is not easy…
It took me a full five decades..to become a full human being..
Sure i was always at the top of my class at school..and considered and called superman at work..for all my mechanical cognition abilities in the analyses and solution of complex problems…
But for all practical intents and purposes…for a long time…
i was emotionally ‘retarded’..per that most important type of intelligence..the kind that many so called intellectually disabled folks excel in…
Emotional intelligence..the most important type of intelligence..for any social animal..
human
monkey
or
dog…for overall survival as a social animal..in whatever group they are considered part of….
And yes .. there are some autistic folks on this site..that some folks might recognize as having low IQ’s or disability..but their ability to demonstrate empathy FOR other FOLKS..is enhanced and evidenced.. even in the words they use on this site…
As opposed to SOME OF the so called..really ‘smart’ folks…
NO.. ‘they’ are not as smart as they ‘THINK’..
THE ‘HEART’ SPEAKS TOO..
BUT RARELY IN COMPLEX LANGUAGE…WITH FACTS ONLY…
IN FACT .. IT’S MOSTLY SPOKEN NON-VERBALLY .. IN THE TYPE OF COMMUNICATION ABILITIES THAT COMPRISE ABOUT 93% OF TOTAL HUMAN RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION…
AND EVEN MORE FOR ANIMALS..AS A TOTAL PERCENTAGE…
NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION..AN ESSENTIAL AND REQUIRED PART OF HUMAN OVERALL INTELLIGENCE..TO GAIN SUCCESS AS A SOCIAL ANIMAL..WHICH DOES MEAN LIFE-LONG SURVIVAL..
THE CORE ISSUE CONSIDERED AS A DEFICIT IN AUTISM…A REAL TOTAL INTELLIGENCE..DISABILITY.
AND YES..USE IT OR LOSE IT APPLIES..HERE..TOO…
SIT IN FRONT OF ANY ELECTRONIC SCREEN MOST OF THE DAY.. FIXATED ON A POINT ON A SCREEN..TWO TO TWELVE FEET AWAY…
AND THE INTELLIGENCE OF MOVEMENT SUFFERS GREATLY…
INCLUDING ANY POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REAL LIFE FLESH AND BLOOD ABILITY
FOR NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION..THE MOST IMPORTANT SOCIAL ANIMAL..INCLUDING HUMAN SOCIAL ANIMAL INTELLIGENCE OF ALL .. FOR OVERALL
SURVIVAL..ACROSS THE LIFE SPAN..OF
TRUEST REALITY.. LIFE IN GENERAL.. As a SOCIAL ANIMAL.
AND YES.. LOTS OF SO CALLED INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED FOLKS..
EXCEL IN THIS GREATER AREA OF INTELLIGENCE.. TOO..
THAT STANDARD IQ TESTS DO NOT EVEN TOUCH..
THE INTELLIGENCE OF MOVEMENT..
AND OVERALL
EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE..AS WELL…
for a MORE totalLY balanced human being…
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THOUGHTS ON “A SPLENDID GIGGLE”
katiemiafredericksaid:21 February, 2014 at 7:45 am
Haha..laughter is great..i developed an amazing ability to help other folks laugh..walking in reverse…in a butterflyTAI CHI style of walk..dance..
Retired at 53 ..my wife loves to shop..but not me at all..
I do my butterfly walk..dance..and have logged about 700 miles in local stores..on my Nike GPS sports watch..since about September..2013…
And one thing for sure..if there is no purpose in my life..other than one..it is making other folks laugh..it’s not often..that a 222Lb middle aged LAW enforcement looking guy..is seen dancing out in public stores..like a butterfly on land..
Amazing the places and paths that GOD can take us..
sooner or later
on the path
of
life..:)
There was a time before last September that i was almost a complete shut in..as a person with the worst pain known to mankind// type 2 trigeminal neuralgia..and during that time..for 60 months since March of 2008 pain took almost all emotions away..all that was left was pain..and not even a memory of a laugh..or what it felt like to smile…
The pain went away..finally last July..
And so now i pay that forward..
with laughter
for all….:)
And yes..there is nothing that makes me giggle more..than knowing..
i brought laughter to
someone
else…
Sorry.. if that was a long comment..but during that 60 months ..i developed the uncanny ability to see the souls of others in words..and that bright white light..
exists..here..so i feel comfortable..spreading some light here..:)and maybe a
laugh or 2..imagining someone even doing that..dance walking..in
real
life…everywhere they go….on a path of loving life…