Well..in my opinion..
after some deep thought..in portraying
and displaying..this as such..in
non-verbal language.. in the photo above..
God.. the TRUE nature of GOD would more than likely be described as
inappropriate by the cultural artifacts of humans including language…
So no doubt truth ain’t fair either…:)
IN ONLY my opinion…;)
But the human mind has incredible potential
to make lemonade out of
lemons..
or crap out of..
sugar.
I choose only lemonade..
with WILL..
And no that is a choice 2..
some folks have little will….
and end up with mostly…
crap..
even if they live in sugar.
But again.. truth and all of that…
Humans are evolved for adversity..as
well as all other social animals..
Which more specifically includes intermittent
reinforcement..
Not the instant gratification…that can lead to the human hell..
of what is NOW for so many people’s..reality in NOW
I choose adversity as a friend…
and leave most of the sugar…
to other folks..
Who MAY choose the human
hell..THAT IS NO PLACE
i choose to be….
KNOWnow:)
And in an attempt .. not to confuse here..
part of my path of adversity..
includes a rather complicated..
free verse poetic style of communication..
which makes life a little more challenging..
for me and anyone who chooses through will..
to read me….and figure it out….
But again..that is my path to bliss..
And it works..
That’s all that matters..
what works….
I LIVE IN BLISS..
THAT PART IS DEFINITELY TRUE..
MY STRAWBERRY FIELDS ARE REAL..
NO MIRAGE HERE..
FOR ME..
I WORK FOR IT..EVERY MICROSECOND..
OF NOW..
IT AIN’T EASY..
BUT AGAIN..
IT WORKS..
MY MAGICK IS SIMPLE..
ADVERSITY..
AND IT IS truly amazing..how simple
my life is now..as compared to
how IT IS usually viewed in real life..
IT simply flows now..while most everyone..
else is waiting for me to trip
and fall down…
And yes.. i am literAlly speaking of movement..
My life is a tight wire act of ballet..belly dance..
TAI CHI..Walk dancing..in reverse..spinning.. everywhere i go..every microsecond..
of art in movement..that makes every part of every move..
sacred
and complex..
and simple flow
at the same time..
without any ‘KNOW’..
losing the hell of ego..
in that complex looking simple flow….
Yup..GOD IS inappropriate..
and so
AM I AM
i
.
But..
i guess if i remain on the sidewalk
of life
my body
remains..
like this..at 13
instead of this at 53..
So who is insane..me walking off the sidewalk..
or me..
walking on the
sidewalks of
life..
i
choose the
grass..
and for those who choose the sidewalks..
that
is
OK
2
🙂
IT IS ONLY
WILL
THAT
COUNTS
in only my opinion2
as
WELL
It is the dance of life that counts..
neither destinations..
or
riches..
WILL IS a WAY..
IT WORKS.
AND by a way..
i’m ‘fairly’ sure..
GOD
chooses
the
grass2..;)
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My comment from the Wrong Planet Website..as username Aghogday:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5901530.html&highlight=#5901530
Well..religions other than subjugating women..controlling folks through fear..
for profits through some so called prophets..and in general controlling reproductive freedoms…
are really designed in part to also find the truths about life..
but that does not mean they are FULLY successful…
that part of the effort goes on..
whether it is in philosophy..
or science..
or religion..
or politics..
and or all three or four or more..
Life can get kinda complicated..
ya know..NOW or simple
if ya don’t ‘know’…NOW
and instead live in a flow..
like ya cat or dog…
😉
The Buddhist..Monks and Yogi Dudes..
and the real historical Jesus..likely fitting in some category like that…
got that part
all or mostly ‘figured’
out..
it seems..
at least…
to
me..
as a practice..
TH@IS
for
me
2
NOW
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yournamehere wrote:
shaman.
it has no religion, and no specific place. It comes from taking the hard road. it is truth, and love. It is awareness, the place where science cannot go. It is man, and spirit. It is the dream. The hallucination. The reality. It is alone. Forever changing, forever learning, forever improving. Traveling. It is within, and around the universe, the cosmos, the dimensions. It is the Tao. Everything, and nothing. Flawed perfection. The known, the unknown, and not unknowable chaos. it is the creator, the destroyer, the shaper, and the healer. the artist. It is just shaman.
Something like that comes to mind.
aghogday wrote:
i think this is a beautiful statement..
to be the sacred shaman..clown..and warrior..
is to be fully alive
i think..
the Indians..the North and
South American ones..
East Indian ones..South African..
ones..etc…
got
it
about
correct…
or right..whatever is…
USIS
ISU
i
ndigenous
i
onesaSONe
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I had been thinking about buying some of the books that the Jesus-mythicists were panning, but now I’m not going to.
aghogday wrote:
So it seems ya have some time on ya..hands to explore this in greater detail like me..in video documentary form..
Here is a well rounded presentation..of who the REAL JESUS WAS..
AND THE REAL CONTRIBUTION..
OF THE MAN..
YAH..THE MAN..
I think that is wHere that
saying comes from..huh..;)
Narrated and explored by theologian Dr. Robert Beckford..from Oxford Brookes University..in the UK.
I think it’s great..particularly the real life..example of people who use the positive teachings..attributed to the Historical man Jesus..to implement..
REAL CHANGE IN THE WORLD..
LIKE
GHANDI.
SUMMARY description from the You tube version of the documentary quoted here…from the You Tube linked Video…
Quote:
“The Hidden Story of Jesus – Documentary
Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates amazing parallels to the Christ story in other faiths, some of them predating Christianity by thousands of years. The Hindu god, Krishna, was conceived by a virgin and his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds. Buddha was also the result of a miraculous birth and visited by wise men bearing gifts. Beckford attempts to unravel the mystery of why there are so many versions of the Christ story across the world and asks which is the real one.
Was the Christ Story stolen from other, older religions? Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates remarkable parallels between the stories of Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, and other major religious entities, and examines how these similarities impact Christianity and its message.”
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5904697.html#5904697
ArrantPariah wrote:
I’m sure that the Gospels are complete exaggerations, with a lot of material imported from other religions. But, I’m pretty sure that the man lived. At least his existence hasn’t been satisfactorily disproven.
aghogday wrote:
In my opinion..it is neither here or tHere..
BUT YES ALL EVIDENCE seems to lean more toward
a man than the myth….
The nuggets of gold..of what the story teaches…
goes on as long as the words remain…
And there are many positive things in history attributed to those nuggets of gold..in words…
and YES negative things with the trash that is interjected..by whoever….
But the key is..nothing ‘he said’ IS really new..that is actually contributing to positive things
in the history of mankind..
The same stuff (nuggets of gold)IS attributed to Buddha..Muhammad..Krishna..and probably
millions of other folks..through the longer history of mankind..in ‘get along’ form…
Nothing really changes..
what works in life..
or what does not work..
depending on the individual of course…
as well..with so many different potential perceptions..
about in general…
WH@IS
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:41 am
Aghogday, c’mon man, we’ve been over this before in another thread. Those are false information about Krishna and others being an inspiration for Jesus story.
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Watch the video if ya get..time that is not at all what it is or i am saying..
The myth part is the part that keeps the story going..it’s likely added in for longevity..and borrowed
from whatever worked for other teachings from historical teachers in the past….
Mythology has been used for thousands of years in recorded human history and prehistory..
to amplify teachings of truth through hyperbole of emotion..
This is the way the human brain works to form memories..through emotion..
and humor or fear..sexual escapades ..or extraordinary feats..of humanity are some of the best human
communication techniques to help form these memories..and keep ’em intact….
Particularly in oral tradition..The American Indians and other primitive people..use many types of myths
to house human truths that really help folks survive in the long run as a whole species..in fact….
But that’s marketing 101 ..should be no surprise..really .. at least in my mind..as a person
who actually did marketing as part of my over two decade government career…
The jewels and gems are in the nuggets of gold..that remain that really help folks..
I don’t think you are a doctor of theology .. at Oxford .. dude..
So i’ll give the ‘good’ doctor a little credibility..over your opinion..in my opinion…..
in this case..at least….
The video really is good..for those folks who have all the time in the world like me..
to do whatever..retired and all of that….
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:49 am
Dude, he’s wrong. And yes, according to this description:
Quote:
The Hidden Story of Jesus – Documentary
Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates amazing parallels to the Christ story in other faiths, some of them predating Christianity by thousands of years. The Hindu god, Krishna, was conceived by a virgin and his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds. Buddha was also the result of a miraculous birth and visited by wise men bearing gifts. Beckford attempts to unravel the mystery of why there are so many versions of the Christ story across the world and asks which is the real one.
Was the Christ Story stolen from other, older religions? Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates remarkable parallels between the stories of Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, and other major religious entities, and examines how these similarities impact Christianity and its message.
You’re wrong.
And speaking of credibility, Bart Ehrman recently wrote a book debunking people like this theologian you put your faith in.
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aghogday wrote:
Well no.. in my opinion..you are incorrect dude..my logic is logic…
and makes ‘good’ sense in my opinion..
The full context of the video..makes it clear he is only talking about the myth part…
but if ya.. like.. we can agree to disagree…
or not..
makes no difference to me….
And here is an excellent example of what i am talking about..
a virgin birth..or resurrection from the dead..is really overall no different..
than housing basic..
cognitive behavioral therapy techniques..
in a story about 2 wolves..
Bottom line..is if ya take the real advice that works..
ya are better off in life..in the long run…
That
s what is important..in the long run..
The myth just keeps the story going longer..
to house the truth..
and keep folks getting IT..(the truth that is)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:12 am
If the description is anything to go by, then he is saying that Jesus Gospel story was copied from previous myths like those pertaining to Krishna, Mithras, Buddha, and so on. But that’s wrong. And had you ever read the Hindu and Buddhist books and other mythologies, you’d know as well how wrong he is.
And it’s not just my opinion. Experts themselves find these views to be ridiculius and absurd. And that’s why Bart Ehrman (who has much more credibility than a theologian like Beckford in these areas) was compelled to finally write a book just to point out the flaws in those views that are being spread by many over the Internet.
And if your point was just to spread some form of wisdom, do it without spreading clearly false information.
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Perhaps i am not making myself clear..
But it is not the actual teachings of Jesus Christ that are the myths..
Again.. that is not at all.. what Doctor Beckford is suggesting…
The myths are the virgin birth..and the resurrection from the dead..the walking on water..feeding a bunch of folks with a little bit of food..etc…
These are consistent myths from the different stories of the historical teachers and teachings housed in these myths..that are either coincidence..
or borrowed…
And they are not included in the gospel of Thomas..as documented in the documentary….
More likely borrowed than coincidence..it wouldn’t have been
hard for ‘Paul’ or ‘whoever’ to make that happen..if ‘they had any common marketing sense..
to do whatever it took to keep the story going….
i’m not going for divine intervention in this case….
Dude these are all opinions..
We are here to discern..the truth..i think..
And opinion is not false information..
It is just an opinion..
But again..
in my opinion..i think…
i’m more than likely correct…
i could be ‘wrong’
but i doubt it…
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:25 am
I’m contesting those claims that are in the description you quoted. It says nothing about Jesus’ teachings. Let me make it clear what I’m saying.
What I’m saying is that it’s false that the myths say the Hindu god, Krishna, was conceived by a virgin and his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds and that Buddha was also the result of a miraculous birth and visited by wise men bearing gifts.
If you don’t believe me, read the relevant portions in the Hindu and Buddhist texts yourself.
aghogday wrote:
All these myths as far as we know..were spread well after the actual existence of any of these historical teachers.
Dr. Beckford is not at all suggesting that they are in actual official Hindu and Buddhist text..
He is a doctor of theology at Oxford..dude..ya seriously think he ain’t read ’em…
common sense..please….
Oral tradition..is as all it would have took..to make this happen..
But then..maybe coincidence..or even divine intervention..
i’m keeping my mind..
open…completely open..
well beyond common sense…
There are more mysteries in this life and fuller reality..
than you can likely imagine..
that you haven’t encountered yet…
and may still find…in ya real life…
i have quite a few i could relate..
But i certainly will not do that here..
in reason land….
i’ll save that for the poets..
..in poetry land.
Also for clarity..Dr. Beckford did not write the
little sketch on the youtube summary..
It’s just an advertisement
for the video..
and there seriously isn’t room for all the detail..
in an hour and forty minute video..
in a short paragraph..
a teaser …just to get folks to watch..
as is the case with all other short
marketing efforts..
that are often hyperbolic..in part..
to capture the attention..
of a nation..and growing world now…
with little capacity..for more than
two sentences of focus..if that much.
ergo..why i write like this..
it works..better..than walls of text..
to keep focus and attention..
for any chance..
of generating deeper
thought..out there
in
the
herd..
i think..
but again..i could be incorrect..
but i’ll keep trying..
my best..
as
always……
it’s the only reason
i
am
alive.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:04 am
If they are not found in any of the relevant texts, then the evidence is lacking and this theologian is spreading a lie. I don’t care if it’s advertising or not. If it’s not true what he’s saying, then it’s not true.
And many scholars well-read in these subjects strongly disagree with him, so no point in appealing to his authority when his is contested by many far greater than him.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:29 am
Dude again..an educated opinion is not a lie..
It is just opinion..
No one here was there..
So all of this is just..
educated opinion…
There is no way in hell..
this guy would even have his position..
at Oxford if he was spreading PUBLIC lies..seriously
now really isn’t that just .. common sense…
It might be clear if you actually watched the video..
but i do not want to suggest you do something…ya do not want to do…
But until then..ya really cannot provide a fully educated opinion..on anything Dr. Beckford says..
in the actual documentary…
i watched it..
so i can.
Anyway the bottom line here..is as much as folks pooh pooh..the importance and significance of the house of myths..
to vehicle and vessel universal truths through the history and prehistory of mankind..
There wasn’t any friggin information highway back in those days..
and easily available and affordable broad band access..
and lots and lots and lots of folks were illiterate..
therefore
and thereby
the historical and prehistorical..
relevance..
and actually REAL LIFE requirement..
of the vehicle and vessel that the house of myths
provide..
to keep universal truths..going
for greater public consumption..
and real life results..
to keep the friggin human race going….
AND Again..my writing style..in part to do that here…
On the autism spectrum there is great difficulty with connecting
language and emotion..
therefore..many folks do not consider emotion..all that important..
in reality..when in actuality..
it is an extremely important part of how the mind properly functions..
in everyday life..to form memories..and execute actions..
in everyday life…
A major reason for executive functioning difficulties for autistic folks..
Is the disconnections of language and emotion…
IN my lifelong adaptation..to be a more fully functioning human being..
My greatest adaption so far..is MORE FULLY connecting emotion with language..
and i am now an extreme extrovert in real life instead of an extreme introvert..
at least in part .. specific .. to my SUCCESSFUL language and emotion adaptation..through my new style of communication..
AND YES..EVEN THE PROFESSIONAL PSYCHIATRISTS AND OTHER RELATED THERAPISTS..
AGREE MY METHOD HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN GAINING
THIS ADAPTATION..
BUT..I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY ..
AND THIS BELIEVE IT OR NOT..IS ALSO PART OF MY ONGOING THERAPY..
TO BE A FRIGGIN FULL HUMAN BEING..
FOR THE FRIGGIN FIRST TIME..
IN MY WHOLE LIFE..
and guess what it is outstanding ..and great..
i could not imagine anything better than being a real life extrovert as
opposed to
introvert..
hell as a social animal…
anthropologically..sociologically..psychologically.. and biologically speaking….
OFcourse AND ON COURSE again..
in only my fuller NOW..educated opinion…
EMOTIONS connected with LANGUAGE
IS WHAT MAKES
THIS WHOLE DAM
THING WORK..
BEING A HUMAN BEING
THAT IS..again..in ONLY my more fully educated opinion….
now.
COMIC BOOKS .. Star Trek..Star Wars..X men..AND the MYTHS IN RELIGION..
SERVE THE SAME BASIC PURPOSE..
TO use a metaphor here..
that stereotypically
someone might relate to….
THEY SPREAD UNIVERSAL TRUTHS..
THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE..
WHATEVER METHOD IS USED FOR EMOTION..
CONNECTED WITH LANGUAGE..
FOR THE MOST EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION…
POSSIBLE..
IT IS WHY HUMAN BEINGS..in large part…
THRIVE…EFFECTIVE social-emotional COMMUNICATION…
SO BASICALLY for all BASIC practical intents and purposes…
SUPERMAN..yes the comic book hero..SUPERMAN.. IS THE SAME dude AS JESUS
And while this really isn’t the time or place to expound on it and explore it.
The intelligence of movement is every bit as important..to success as a fully functioning
human being..as any other type of modern measured intelligence..
in IQ tests…
Another type of intelligence..often pooh poohed..by some of the autistic folks here as not that important..
PE otherwise known as physical education..
And oh my GOD..that is my fully educated speciality..and real life decades experience speciality..in work and play..that i don’t even attempt to convince people of on this
site so far..i cannot even convince many of the REAL LIFE.. professionals on my insights on physical education yet…
but i seriously think they
are correct 2..i think out of the box in PE..like
our ancestors did 2….
I DO NOT WALK and never run..IN STRAIGHT LINES..ON SIDEWALKS..
OR TREADMILLS..or even elliptical machines…
Common sense..again..anthropological common sense…
look to nature..is most of my philosophy..
the answers most often..
do not change..
and the secrets are spiraling..flying..
like a hawk..in the sky around the sun..
‘right’ before our eyes….
believe it
or
not.
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MCalavera wrote:
An opinion that’s clearly wrong. As to why he is allowed to teach false information (if he is doing that at Oxford), it may have to do with the fact that he is just a theologian.
aghogday:
Well..of course this isn’t part of his official duties at Oxford..
He is quite controversial in the religious community..in the UK..
And he provides documentaries..on the public television network Channel 4 there..
and for the BBC…
And again..it is an opinion piece..like an OP-ED..
Not a formal documentary..in any sense of collegiate requirement.
And yes using that level of requirement it would not be appropriate for him to use this opinionated style..
But that’s what it is..
Opinion.
And his main point anyway..is that the teachings of Jesus are important..for real life affect and effect..
The myth as stated before by me..and agreed upon by Mr. Beckford..and many other
scholarly folks..is it’s just the housing that carries the vehicle or vessel of the message..
per the English Language or whatever symbolic method of communication…that allows humans to communicate
Universal truths of human nature..GOD or whatever someone wants to call helpful hints ..
to just survive..
That what’s important..
to survive..
We can candidly discuss differences of opinions.
but at the end of the day..
surviving is all that counts..at least for NOW..unless a person does not
want to survive..
been there .. done..both counts…
But yes i can most definitely attribute at least part of my survival…
to the historic teachings of the man Jesus Christ..the myth parts did me
absolutely no good.
All i’m concerned about is now..
not some fairy tale of yesterday..or tomorrow..
But if it were not for the myths..
Highly unlikely the teachings would have made it
intact as much as was remaining…
in the early 1970’s….in the US.
Now it does not really matter..the information technology highway..
houses all the secrets of success in life imaginable..
Wading through the bullshit is the hard part..
And i can understand your personal need to set those boundaries..
That is something we all MUST DO in my opinion..to some degree.
But i’m no longer that nit picky..perfection was my biggest downfall in life..
i look at the big picture now..instead of drowning in details..that part almost seriously
killed me per deleterious documented health effects..
But i am not suggesting you need to do that..
We all must find what works for only us..in my opinion2…
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Max000 wrote:
I don’t even need to watch the video. Of course he didn’t exist. There is no historical record of him existing outside of the bible, and the bible has zero credibility. Case closed.
aghogday wrote:
Well dude…unless you have greater credentials than the majority of scholars that agree that the man Jesus existed..your argument is no more believable than an argument that Socrates did not exist…
There is no greater evidence that Socrates existed as far as first hand accounts go…
And yes most scholars agree that both Jesus and Socrates existed…
Now was the myth real..of course not..myths are not meant to be real…
Myths like all other forms of metaphor..are just vehicles and vessels of human language to carry the
deeper meanings in life…
But of course that is the difficulty that many autistic folks have..understanding metaphors..of deeper human meanings as how that relates to
the demonstration of human empathy…
Ergo some difficulties in understanding the value of religion and deeper meanings of demonstrated empathy in general..among SOME autistic folks….
Even John Nash the individual potentially diagnosable with either schizophrenia/autism ..who readily admitted his difficulties with emotion and the demonstration of cognitive empathy in later years…understood that his limitations in these human abilities..reduced the reliability of his ‘Game Theory’…
He had all the players…
But did not understand their ‘heart’s’…
That’s a metaphor by the way..
If need be.. i’ll explain it to ya…..
But don’t take my word for it…per the historical verity of the existence of the man Jesus….
The resources indicate the same..even in rational wiki..for your general purview.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ
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The dance is indeed the thing… Strawberry Fields forever!
i love dance Scott..i did it for about 14 years from 15 to 29.. got married to my wife who does not dance..and my dance ‘career’ halted..just like that…
I was never quite the same until this year..a full 23.5 years more..once again..starting to dance..and finally feeling free spirited..no different than what i first felt..
at 15…
Dance iS liberating my experience of life then and now..:)
And now i’ll dance ’till i die..
if at all possible…
Still working on making my wife a partner in dance..though..
now.. that
would make me so happy…more for her though
than for
me.:)
and she looks like a dancer..
i look more like a cop..now..
in observance from others..
life is strange like that…;)
i guess.
but always interesting..
to me..:)
never the
less.
Man, this rant poetics is beyond diatribe all the way into poetic filibuster, & as with most lengthy rants, there is much truth in what you feel, wrote, although if you studied some of the thousands of world’s religions comparatively, you will probably find the same Godhead, AllThatIs in all of them, just a difference in prophets & perspective; but I enjoyed the ride; thanks.
Ahh..thanks for coming to the more complicated one..the ‘dog is god is dog’ one.. i linked was a much slower ride i think…;)
and i thought folks might bet tired of men in tights and all of that..
but will is an amazing way..and positive belief..
is what i believe is magick at least for me..
and i hope for others too..for same..and more…
in similar power ..just to be in bliss and peace..
for NOW is all..;)’
Wow look at you go, truth high and low, much can be seen looking within the context and beyond
Thanks Pat Hatt..for too.. stopping by for my longer one..
yes i’m gonna take the roller coaster…
the highs and lows
are what excites me..
the most..
and even brings..the most peace..
as well…as bliss…
have a great NOW!2!
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aghogday wrote:
Well..considering that only about 2% of the entire world is atheist and
approximately 9 out of 10 Americans..have some belief in GOD..only down slightly
from the 1940’s..when the fear of the end of the world..
was in the hearts of most..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
Science ain’t killed nothing…as far as GOD goes…
it’s not designed to even do that..
and the total effect AND AFFECT..of science has brought many
people closer to a belief in GOD..as the order it brings..
is simply too amazing..for most folks to see
as coincidence…and not ‘pre-ordainMENT’…as NOW..
well…so
the answer is of course not..
That’s a myth at most..ironically..
As long as belief in gOd exists..
GOD exists..it’s as simple as that..
And as long as human beings have existed..
in historical records..some type/form/force of GOD(S} co-exist{s)…
It is the belief that matters..
the object is neither here or tHere..
LITERALLY SPEAKING!
AND some humans are naturAlly philosophers..
it’s even a type of personality..viewed upon by as such..
among female autistics..of the Asperger’s variety..by experts like Tony Atwood..
so no..as long as human beings exist.
GoD exists..
and so do philosophers…
The majority of which..
of all who exist on earth..
believe in GOD..
so GOD exists…
The human mind ..the illusion we believe..
IS ALL THAT EXISTS..
FOR ALL WE KNOW…OR PERCEIVE ..
AS
WH@IS
GOD
OR WHATEVa
the f**
one wants
to call
IS
or
Oz
Man creates GOD..
so only man can KILL GOD..
and so far the verdict is an overwhelming YAY..
for majority vote ..of the entire globe….
for
GOD LIVES
And considering the believers are breeders..
and the non-believers are more often non-breeders..
math..simple math..
tells the
future
tale of GOD
as the non-believers..FAIL
MORE OFTEN TO EVEN FRIGGIN..
PASS ON THEIR GENES..THE MOST ELEMEMENTARY
PART OF ANIMAL INTELLIGENCE..
F** ING..
AND YAH IT’S MORE THAN FUN..
AS PER HOW MORE NON-BELIEVERS..
SEE IT…
NO Personal judgements here.. on my part.. just common sense..
and analysis of facts..
and yah .. statistical analysis too…
ya can’t stop the math..
but GOD IS SCIENTIST2….;)
and a real comedian around these parts..
per human irony..
i think i ‘here’ ‘him’ giggling.. or ‘googling’ ..
‘right’ now..:)
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simon_says wrote:
People lie about every subject under the sun. Did Joe Smith lie about his scrying stones, North American mythology and all the rest? Or was it just an innocent myth? He lied his a** off and the only reason we can be more certain about his character defects than Christ’s and the apostles’ potential defects is that there are more records in Smith’s near modern world.
People are people in every age.
aghogday wrote:
Well..there is a a big difference..between a social lie..and a malicious lie..
There is a lot misanthropic intention given to the human race..on this website..
that is seriously not reflective of reality…
It is more reflective of preconceived notions..through individual perceptions of a life through the limitations of cognitive empathy…
People more often lie in real life..not to hurt the feelings of other folks..we are social animals we do not exist..
in totality of human existence..by making it a purpose in life to maliciously lie to other folks for mal-intent..
Granted there are a certain number of folks that are of the anti-social personality variety…
But one’s lens is colored by one’s personal experience..
And the stories of social abuse..perceived as such..when it’s not even happening is documented on this website..thousands of times…
Seeing mal-intention in others when there is no real evidence for it..is common among Autistic folks..and yes i struggled with it too..
But i worked with tens of thousands of real live folks in real life..serving them ..helping them..and getting to know them in real life..
95 to 99 percent overall were honest..and loving folks…
But it’s not just my opinion..humans are social animals..and social animals get along or they die..it is in most folks genes..
but not all…and certainly not on this website..overall..
Not an objective place..certainly to capture this type of overall human social data….for a general population sample group…
And the largest part of all..in my opinion..why there is such disgust here expressed about religion in general..and GOD..
For at least some part..it’s just not inherently beneficial to many folks on this site..so there is no selfish reason to understand it..
Sad but true..as if this were not the case..there could be at least some more cognitive empathy..
to undertand the real documenTED benefits of even the POWER OF BELIEF..ALL UNTO ITSELF..AS A HUMAN ATTRIBUTE..AND TREASURE…
TO MAKE BETTER THINGS HAPPEN IN LIFE FOR REAL LIFE FOLKS…EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY..
AND THAT’S A FACT…BELIEF IS REAL ..BELIEF MAKES GREAT THINGS HAPPEN…
IT DON’T MATTER THE OBJECT OF THE BELIEF..
IT IS THE HUMAN ATTRIBUTE OF BELIEF AND POSITIVE THINKING..
ITSELF..that can make human beings an animal in bliss…like most other animals..
that never learn to hate..or learn all these illusory fears..about ill intention of others..when it does not even exist….
And that is a general statement…i am not aiming this at you as an individual..or any other specific individual here..i know nothing about you personally….
But just a quick example..i used to refer to folks on this site as friend..or friends..even when i disagreed with them…
and they saw malicious intent in it…
Why the hell would i like someone less…if i enjoyed a good argument with them…
And why the f**k as a human being..would i not see another live flesh and blood human being..as not a friend…
See what i mean ..preconceived notions…
i can call poets i disagree with friends all day and all night..but the difference is…
They have plenty of cognitive empathy..and look past superficial disagreements..as part of a normal human experience…
i adapted …i have cognitive empathy..because i refused ..to stay in the dark..
Took five decades or so..but it worked..
i do even test as 11 on the AQ test now..instead of 44 or 45..
and 92 on the Aspie Quiz instead of 195…
i cured the empathic difficulties of autism..
And in effect..i am no longer disabled by it..in real life…
but i still have the beneficial parts..
and enjoy life now..
with twice as much brain..yes..the mechanical cognition part..
and the equally important part…
the social cognition part..for FULL HUMAN INTELLIGENCE..
And if i can do it..with my severely autistic mind..non-verbal and all of that as a child…
i really think..there is hope for MOST anyone..with epigenetics..and neuroplasitcity..
IF THEY JUST DON’T GIVE UP..
AND REALLY WANT TO BE A
FULL HUMAN INTELLIGENT BEING….
YES EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE..INCLUDED..
AS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE THERE IS
FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON…
overall SURVIVAL…
HUMANS ARE interdependent on each other…
Culture may provide the illusion to some folks they aren’t.
but that’s a pipe dream..at least..if one lives long enough..
to find that FULLY INTELLIGENT answer….
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babybird wrote:
I had a dream last night that I was talking on the phone to Jesus.
When I woke up my heart was pounding and I was sweating. I was really scared.
AspieOtaku wrote:
Jesus can be found hanging out in front of Home Depot offering to work on your roof!
aghogday wrote:
NO that’s not possible..Jesus was a trained carpenter..
not a roofer..;)
That is if you are a fundamentalist
Atheist..
but if not .. perhaps..
he could do
both..:)
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I like the title here and I think you were cute at 13.
That’s sweet..thanks for the compliment..only if the teenage girls back then looked at it in a similar way..i was referred to as skank..and other unusual words..but thank goodness no google back then..and being on the autism spectrum..i had had no friggin idea what they were talking about..nor what the hell faggot meant when the boys said that…
They just looked really mean with a menacing ‘mean dog’ look on their face…and told me if i smiled too much ..i would be in really big trouble as A boy..AND the boys did that part..not the girls…
So it was more more than apparent to me..that they were suggesting i did not deserve to exist…literally did not deserve to exist….AS IS..SO I CHANGED AND LEARNED HOW TO LOOK LIKE A MEAN DOG TOO…
But my dog liked me..and my mother did..and my sister did..and that was enough to keep me going..back then…:)
And the best thing of all…is i never learned to hate anyone else..and in fact..because of that..the folks i loved the most..were other oppressed folks kinda like me..so i know how to give that mean dog look..when other folks are oppressing..folks like me back then…
now..;) but it’s just an act.. i still love ’em..i just let him know not to f** with my ‘oppressed friends’…in that mean dog look kinda way…:)
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5909852.html#5909852
(more from the Wrong Planet website..on androgyny and ‘higher functioning’ autism….)
aghogday wrote:
As an androgynous male much more so earlier in life…
Most of the girls that were attracted to me..were androgynous too…
As my masculinity increased by the time i hit 30..and seems to be in overdrive now at 53…
My wife the most feminine female that was attracted to me in my life..became my wife..at 29..and she 19….
And i actually wanted a more ‘spirited’ female than the soft type if ya get my drift…anyway..
So what made it work between us..is even though she looked extremely feminine..she had that
aggressive side..that keeps me on my toes..where with ADHD symptoms..i would have an extremely
difficult time paying attention to her..if she was too soft..and soft spoken..instead of a tiger in the brain…:)
and in power of intention in voice…
Even though extremely delicate looking on the outside..
I can look extremely mean..but there is not a violent bone in my body..as far as actually striking out at someone..
no matter how mad they make me…i do not see any purpose in violence..
and when a person can look extremely mean..most people will not mess with them..no one has ever attempted to mess with
me physically..not even when i looked feminine physically..but i certainly was not a threat then..either….
It’s extremely amusing..to me..as i am a soft person inside..but my masculine physical exterior now..brings people to the observation..
that I’m some kind of specialized military forces..or law enforcement guy…
But i guess..the issue is..i have no fear..at all..and people can sense that..and usually see it in .. in a law enforcement or military type of way….
But no most of my life i had substantial amounts of anxiety..both social related ..and in general related .. toward the end of my work career..
that anxiety is now all gone thank goodness..and back to fearless…:) like i was when I was 4 or 5…:)
But anyway…life can be full of change..and is full of change..if a person is in a place they don’t like..
chances are positive change can and will happen..if a person believes it is possible..and keeps on trying..whatever it is that is
the goal..in life….
And in my most recent blog posts there are pictures that more than adequately illustrate what i am describing here..both at age 13
in middle school..as the boy that was mistaken for a girl at McDonalds..by the cashier then…
and the man at 53 now..that is mistaken for a cop..or special forces military dude….:)at Super Walmart…
It’s an interesting longitudinal life study in androgyny and autism if nothing else…
i love science..and why not make myself a subject of i too..is what i say now..in my much freer middle age..
to express all that i am as human being…:)
https://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/02/08/god-is-inappropriate/
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Aghogday,
What philosophers meant is not the rise in numbers of non believers, rather, the fact people rely less on faith to solve problems, more on science and this has occurred the world over. It is a global phenomenon. People do not consciously acknowledge it but you see it everyday in how they solve problems. They run to the doctor, not the faith healer. They research instead of praying at the alter. They experiment instead of consulting the Pope. Whether believers wish to acknowledge or not, science has, indeed, replaced God. Only in the sanctum sanctorium of the church is God living.
aghogday wrote:
Hmm..well the world is a little bigger than the US..while true in our culture..to some extent and perhaps true in your area of the country..
not true at all where i live in the deep south..it’s still the land of the 6000 year old earth..if ya get my drift…and seriously to a large extent..it is
still that way in much of the rural red state US…
and oh my GOD..certainly not true in Muslim Countries..
perhaps moving in that direction..but a far journey still to take…
And even in eastern philosophies..what many folks would likely call ‘WOO’ on this little segment of the web…
is a way of life there..for literally close to a billion folks…
It’s a complex world..but we live in only a very small part of it..
relatively speaking..per our limited perceptions..of how we individually see life…
No.. no global replacement of GOD at ALL..at least per ALL the evidence that exists..on this…in the ENTIRE WORLD..
THERE ARE BILLIONS OF US..about 7 at last count…
300 MILLION even IS kinda a few drops in the bucket..overall..still…at about 4 or 5 percent..in our relatively small part that is
US..sometimes..we tend to view our global pants..
as a little larger than WHAT they really are..as metaphor…in THIS MUCH bigger WORLD….
And the phrase ‘GOD IS DEAD’ attributed to Nietzsche in his little corner ..of Europe..iS certainly only reflective..
of where he lived..Nietzche was an idealist..yes..but certainly no anthropologist..as he had a disdain for human cultivated..
systems..of almost all types..
Culture is as natural as the digits on our fingers..and the prehensile THUMB and written language..
is after all IS SAID AND DONE..what started this whole thing..and our abstract ideas of what the power and force of all of nature IS..
whether the abstract term used is GOD or nature….OR SERIOUSLY WHATEVA THE F**…
IT
s universal..we can attempt to put chains on it..THROUGH HUMAN ANIMAL ABSTRACT LANGUAGE DERIVED FROM
COLLECTIVE HUMAN INTELLIGENCE..RESULTING CULTURES..AND THE FIRST ATTEMPTS AT WRITTEN LANGUAGE..WITH THOSE DIGITS
AND PREHENSILE THUMB…
but it’s just decoration..for the essence of what
TRULY IS
GOD ..NATURE..TAI CHI..THE TAO..THE DAO..THE QI..THE GREAT ANIMAL SPIRIT..THE CHRIST ENERGY..ALLAH..ALLAHGODALLAH..THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD…
OR THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF RELIGIONS..AND BILLIONS OF PEOPLE…
TRYING TO ABSTRACTLY DESCRIBE THE FORCE AND POWER..
THAT CONNECTS AND MAKES ALL OF THIS WORK….AS IT IS CURRENTLY
PUT TOGETHER…
AS
IS
WH@IS
BUT NONE OF IT CHANGES THE TRUTH..
AND THE FORCE AND POWER THAT IS GOD..
NOT EVEN ONE IOTA..
OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT GOD CHANGES..
AS huMAN TOO..
IS
GOD…2
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Moviefan2k4 wrote:
had their amputated limbs grow back,
TheGoggles wrote:
I’m not the kind of person that dons his euphoric fedora of wisdom every time somebody says they’re a Christian, so I wasn’t going to even say anything until I saw this part. As someone who has worked in the Christian media industry, I can tell you with complete certainty that I know how faith healing works. And the truth is, it really doesn’t.
It’s not true for the same reason that “The Secret” is clearly not true. Everyone supposedly has the capacity to heal anything if they just believe hard enough and get on God’s VIP list. If this were the case, we’d all be pretty much immortal and there would be no debate whatsoever about which religion and which denomination was correct. Faith healing is a series of parlor tricks designed to associate men like Benny Hinn and Richard Roberts with divinity itself. Then you’ll buy their t-shirts, and their books, and their DVD’s. Because they’re so close to God, if you’ve got a little piece of their mercantile empire, you’re a little closer to God by proxy.
aghogday wrote:
Hmm..well science .. at least modern science does not agree with this…at this time…
The NOCEBO effect AND the opposite effect and affect from the PLACEBO EFFECT WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST THE ‘SECRET’ OF POSITIVE BELIEF IN A POSITIVE GOAL..WHATEVER IT MAY BE..IS REAL..
AND ACTUALLY CAN MAKE REAL DOCUMENTED MEDICAL DISORDERS HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE..
BUT..please don’t take my word for it..
Science is up to par..finally on this..after about 2000 years..and ‘silly’ rants by folks like the historical man Jesus..
on the REAL HEALING..OR YES POTENTIAL DESTRUCTIVE HUMAN POWER
OF
BELIEF…NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/owning-pink/201308/the-nocebo-effect-negative-thoughts-can-harm-your-health
AND NO.. OF COURSE it’s not going to regenerate an amputated limb..
But in the case of ONE OF THE worst of human maladies..and most common BEING arthritic pain..IT is already a well known fact..
that the pain of severe arthritis..per the underlying physiological effects..varies depending on the psychological state..
of the person..who has those x-ray and MRI..identified deficits..in human JOINT health…
And yes it is a scientific fact now that STRESS KILLS..
And yes of course a positive attitude..makes all the difference in the world… on that..
One man’s stress is another WOman’s challenge and path to success…
Attitude..and positive or negative belief..and yes apathy too..makes us
more fully
what
we are…
With WILL WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS THROUGH THE POWER OF BELIEF..
WITHOUT THAT WE ARE..WELL..
BASICALLY
WET
NOODLES….[/metaphor}(ONLY);)
AND NOT WELL @ALL…
Some folks find this through a belief in the healing power of GOD..
and some folks find it through watching some videos above that say humans can heal themselves..
and believe it..
but the bottom line IS
IT WORKS IN REAL LIFE..A SCIENTIFICALLY DOCUMENTED FACT NOW 2..
SO the folks in the past that did not believe i
T..when just Jesus and those other historical dudes wERE teaching this…
Well..that was only tHEIR loss..
Not the folks that believed IT and YES in TRUE SCIENTIFIC AFFECT AND EFFECT..
SIMPLY HEALED THEMSELVES OR PREVENTED GREATER ILL..
THROUGH
THE POWER AND FORCE..
OF POSITIVE BELIEF..NO MATTER THE OBJECT..CONNECTED TO
THAT
BELIEF.
THIS AIN’T WOO..
IT’S REAL..BELIEF..
TH@IS
but i ain’t buying no DVD’s..
with my monthly fee for broad band access..
the rest of youtube..is free..:)
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aghogday wrote:
Well..there is a a big difference..between a social lie..and a malicious lie..
simon_says wrote:
Someone invents these cults. Whether it’s Joe Smith or David Koresh or Jim Jones or L Ron Hubbard or Jesus. Teasing out the lies is much easier in the modern age. This has nothing to do with AS. Do I know what 1st century Jesus or his disciples actually said versus what the bible records versus who lied when? No. But I have a series of examples of flawed men who are either lying or mentally ill and believing their delusions. So it’s entirely possible.
aghogday wrote:
Well..sure almost anything could be possible..i keep an open mind to that..but..
Oh yes..even documented science indicates that the difficulty with understanding the value of religion..lies among the specific disorder of autism spectrum disorders…
Click to access paper0782.pdf
And yes.. part of that study was associated with this ‘varied’ forum..
and in total affect and effect..
the sample studied..indicated that while quite a few folks here do not agree with organized religious ideology..
there is still ‘never the greater’..only about 26% who are atheist..which is significantly higher than what was described as an internet..
control group of young adults..on another so called neurotypical site…but never the less..
GOD still ‘reins’ here…even in this forum..when totality of opinion..is addressed..overall…
But anyway..while it’s easy to criticize..imperfect human beings..for the methods of gaining truth and a better life..
Religion..is common among all historic groups of human beings..and many prehistoric ones..it is an inherent cultural and important part of all humanity..
overall..for all of recorded history..and even now…
There are only approximately 2 percent atheists world wide..
and even about 90% of folks having some type of belief in GOD..only slightly down from the
World War II gloom and doom days of the 40’s…in the US..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
But the saddest thing of all..is some people do not believe in anything..
And OH MY GOD some folks on this very site..believe that faith and belief means nothing..
in general…
Well .. modern science has evidence ..that is incorrect too.. tons and tons of evidence..contradict that opinion..2…
BUT..please don’t take my word for it..
Science is up to par..finally on this..after about 2000 years..and ‘silly’ rants by folks like the historical man Jesus..
on the REAL HEALING..OR YES POTENTIAL DESTRUCTIVE HUMAN POWER
OF
BELIEF…NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/owning-pink/201308/the-nocebo-effect-negative-thoughts-can-harm-your-health
AND NO.. OF COURSE it’s not going to regenerate an amputated limb..
But in the case of ONE OF THE worst of human maladies..and most common BEING arthritic pain..IT is already a well known fact..
that the pain of severe arthritis..per the underlying physiological effects..varies depending on the psychological state..
of the person..who has those x-ray and MRI..identified deficits..in human JOINT health…
And yes it is a scientific fact now that STRESS KILLS..
And yes of course a positive attitude..makes all the difference in the world… on that..
One man’s stress is another WOman’s challenge and path to success…
Attitude..and positive or negative belief..and yes apathy too..makes us
more fully
what
we are…
With WILL WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS THROUGH THE POWER OF BELIEF..
WITHOUT THAT WE ARE..WELL..
BASICALLY
WET
NOODLES….[/metaphor}(ONLY);)
AND NOT WELL @ALL…
Some folks find this through a belief in the healing power of GOD..or Jesus..or whatever…
and some folks find it through watching some videos above that say humans can heal themselves..
and believe it..
but the bottom line IS
IT WORKS IN REAL LIFE..A SCIENTIFICALLY DOCUMENTED FACT NOW 2..
SO the folks in the past that did not believe i
T..when just Jesus and those other historical dudes wERE teaching this…
Well..that was only tHEIR loss..
Not the folks that believed IT and YES in TRUE SCIENTIFIC AFFECT AND EFFECT..
SIMPLY HEALED THEMSELVES OR PREVENTED GREATER ILL..
THROUGH
THE POWER AND FORCE..
OF POSITIVE BELIEF..NO MATTER THE OBJECT..CONNECTED TO
THAT
BELIEF.
THIS AIN’T WOO..
IT’S REAL..BELIEF..
TH@IS
And yes..the type of life long friendships gained and kept in structured religious environments..are understood by science..
as the number 1 element leading to overall human happiness…
It’s easy enough to pick on one or two details of any human effort..call the bath water too dirty..and throw the baby out…
But the bottom line is this..throughout human history in respect of yes all the negative things associated with religions..and beliefs..the evidence..
overall is so far in the ball court of the TRUE EFFECT AND AFFECT OF RELIGIONS OVERALL in REDUCING HUMAN SUFFERING…
THAT IT IS A BIT AMUSING..WE ARE EVEN DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT this is reality..
GOD ain’t for everyone..
but YES GOD is for approximately
98% of 7 billion people on this planet in some shape fashion..energy..force..or form….
at this very
MOMENT..:)
SO SURE 2% of the population got it all correct..and the other 98% are just idiots..
yea sure..makes all the sense in the world..;)..about 2% of it…:)
with all due respect..all 2% of it…
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simon_says wrote:
Let me review your argument:
A) I’m only an atheist because I have AS
B) Magically the “totality of opinion” on an AS form is still against me.
C) There are more believers so they are right.
aghogday wrote:
(A) no of course not..only 26% percent of the folks here were considered atheist in the research..i’m going by the research not my opinion on that one…
(B) well if you consider whether or not being an atheist..makes their opinion against you..then yes..per 74% .. but in real life..it’s never been an issue to me what any persons’s belief in religion has to do with that..it’s usually not even discussed in the real rat race of life..so i personally think it is deconstructive for a person to have that type of attitude..no different really than folks who think society is against them simply cause they got a diagnosis of autism..
Society..overall.. doesn’t even know what the hell Asperger’s even is..not now at this point in time..after that diagnosis..is history..
People who display any overt differences from the norm..are discriminated against..it’s social animal nature in general..as a protective measure for survival…
But..as far as i know there is no way to identify a run of the mill atheist from a run of the mill Christian..until they get to arguing about it..and the abstract differences in language are made clear…
(C) Well..we live as social animals..and if 98% of the social animals are doing something..ya ain’t gotta agree with it..and i myself do things in life that i personally think other folks could benefit from..like dance walking a style of TAI CHI ..belly dancing..and reverse walking all wrapped up in one..that i am the only person in a metro area of 300 K does..up to 23 miles in one day at my metro mall…
but i do know that our ancestors when they hunted did not walk on sidewalks..and moved much like i do…so i have a little bit of a rational..and evidenced well being..leading method.. behind what some people observe as madness…ridiculous or whatever..but at 53 i have the health of a 21 year old marine..in strength and stamina..when i compete against those folks in my military gym…and even comparable healthy skin complexion..so i’ll let the evidence..speak it’s mouth…on that one…
But here’s the thing..we got enough information..scientific information..through the information highway..to get the common sense..like positive beliefs can heal folks..OR PREVENT ILLNESS..
But here’s the other thing..it’s getting harder and harder for folks without extended family connections to find REAL FLESH AND BLOOD FRIENDS..IN REAL LIFE…
Structured religions..in real buildings..where people meet ..find friends..and establish life long friendships..can most definitely be the difference between life or death ..in later age…OR EVEN IN EARLIER AGE…
It’s kinda kool sometimes..to be young and alone when one is invincible..but when it comes time for a friend to check up on a friend..who is sick..or falls on some other hard time of life…IN REAL LIFE…
There is not much left these days..outside of work..or school..to make these ‘third’ place real life flesh and blood human connections..beyond work and school…
Easy to pooh pooh that too..until the REAL HOUR OF NEED COMES..
THIS SERIOUSLY IS JUST COMMON SENSE STUFF..AS IT RELATES TO HUMAN NATURE….
But i understand the misunderstanding of where folks get their preconceived notions..and i’m not suggesting you are wrong..or you NEED GOD .. JESUS ..RELIGIONS .. OR WHATEVER…
i just don’t think you and many people on this site..are POTENTIALLY seeing the much much much larger picture and reality of all of the picture of religion..god..Jesus..and all that stuff…AS to THE REAL LIFE BENEFIT IT HAS FOR ABOUT 98% of the overall human population…
But i’ve been studying this for about 50 years..read 10 to 15 times faster than the average human being..and type about 130 words a minute..so no i do not expect you to have obtained all the information i currently have in those 5 decades..in regard to ALL OF THIS..
OR TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IT IN THIS LENGTHY..COMPLEX..AND UNUSUAL STYLE OF
COMMUNICATION….
i share.. that is all..i share.
take it with a gran of a salt..
i
m just sharing..IS ALL
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Kraichgauer wrote:
But even if Jesus was not really the Son of God, what’s possibly wrong with telling people to love their neighbor, and more, to love their enemies? No one can tell me that Christ’s message in itself was destructive. That’s what separates him from from L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, David Koresh, etc.
DentArthurDent wrote:
If christ is god or n the son of god or not even devine is immaterial he demands that we love and obey god. This god is the most destructive, wrathful, petty minded, psychopathic teachers we know. We are made in gods image and given gods laws. So in effect we know the mind of god by his actions and those actions are often morally repugnant. He destroys whole cities because members of those cities have started to worship other gods, decrees that all the children shall be ripped asunder and the unborn cut from their mothers. He demands suffering for repentance and ultimately the only way to deal with human sin is the near death bashing then crucifixion of himself/gods son. And before you say that Jesus is the new way, no he is not, he stated that the old laws were to be followed.
Oh and by the way regarding the Pauline letters only a cursory internet search will show you that you have a lot of biblical revision to do.
aghogday wrote:
WELL..unfortunately there are fundamentalists in both camps..so called Christians and so called Atheists…
But human beings have common sense..and it is a little ridiculous in my opinion..to suggest that a human being cannot read a friggin book like the bible..and separate the bull..away from the truth…
I never had a problem with that..if it does not ring true..i discard it immediately..
And if ya ask most people who go to church..pulling them to the side..to get their real interpretation of the bible..and their beliefs..
They are as varied as they are..in any group of atheists discussing this on the internet..
But to understand this one must participate..at least like a participant observer…
i’ve been doing this for decades..and it is crystal clear to me..and my friends at church..as well..
This is not a black and white issue at any church…
There is always tons of disagreement..for potential wherever two minds may meet..on almost any issue in life…
But yes…there are plenty of folks with the same type of common sense as Thomas Jefferson who simply separated the bullshit from the truth..
and he even made the time..to write a separate copy..to make it easier..for him and folks that tend to agree…
Church works for some folks..GOD works for some folks..Jesus works for some folks..the TAO..the TAI CHI..the DAO…QI..Dharma..great spirit..allah..or whatever .. vehicles or vessels of human language used as a tool..to get to truth…
Humans are rarely perfect..in their ascertainment of truth..
and if they were..it would kind of BE a boring life..in my opinion…
It is the seeking that is fun..
The destination..is just that..destination…not a verb..
a place…
but .. just in my opinion.. of course.
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aghogday wrote:
Well..seriously while organized religion in churches in on the decline in the US..the research simply does not show that for overall belief in a higher power in the US..again it’s relatively stable since the 1940’s..perhaps you may be confusing the two..if ya can provide research that refutes the link i provided..i will certainly entertain..a different result…
simon_says wrote:
Gallup has a number of them. People identifying as “none” under religion is up from 8% in 2000 to 15% in 2013. Not all will be atheists and agnostics but it’s something that Christian writers have openly worried about it. I didn’t just make this up tonight.
A Gallup-Win international poll has atheism up 4 points internationally since 2005 and religious faith down. China having the largest pool of confirmed atheists.
http://www.jagranjosh.com/current-affairs/global-index-of-religion-and-atheism-report-number-of-atheists-increased-on-global-level-1369644886-1
And Europe is running thin on faith. Non faith in Spain: 19%, 25% UK. 40% France. 29% Norway. Even our neighbors in Canada have 23% with no faith.
It’s also quite natural that you’ll see more people willing to openly identify as non-believers in this era than 20 or 50 years ago when almost no one said none. Traditional society has lost much it’s power to shame non-traditional beliefs. Your neighbor or boss usually doesn’t care what you think any more. And where people are allowed to speak their minds ideas will naturally be passed on. To assume that the distribution of religious conversation in 1950 Mayberry is due to the natural order of things and biological mandates is likely missing a few factors.
When you look at the meta number you have to account for growth in certain regions. Since China has become more permissive there are Christian conversions going on. Same for Eastern Europe post communism. But that doesn’t change the fact that regionally you do have developed regions that are slowly leaving gods behind. Europe, the source of all of that screaming and shouting over a parade of gods, is losing interest in the subject.
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Falling birth rates..are more associated with birth control and abortion in developing countries that any other single variable
Which is associated with wealth and family planning, as I said:
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/what-stops-population-growth/
aghogday wrote:
Thanks for providing the links..and it does seem like there is some movement in America..toward the non believers..significant yes..but substantial no..and yes definitely concern for traditional religion…like
Christianity…
But i do not see the overall idea of a higher power..as dying in the US..it’s ingrained in the way of life..ironically as a cultural materialistic one too..with
almost one third of the year focused on the Christmas buying season…
But anything goes in Europe..it’s been that way for sometime…and i do not have anything against that at all..
it would be better in my opinion..if people’s needs were taken care of..properly when they fall in life..
as opposed to any specific ABSTRACT LANGUAGE ‘VESSELED’ OR ‘VEHICLED’ belief in any deity at all….INCLUDING
POTENTIAL MYTHS TO HOUSE THOSE VESSELS AND VEHICLES…of abstract language for however one may describe
the total force of ‘GOD’…
But in my opinion GOD IS ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL..AND will and THOSE WHO CONNECT AND HELP OTHERS..
REAP THE NATURAL BENEFITS..OF WHAT IS THE NATURAL REWARD OF NATURE..
FOR BEING A SOCIAL ANIMAL…WHICH IN MY OPINON..IS JUST ANOTHER PROCESS AND POSITIVE
FORCE..THAT CAN reasonably BE identified as THE ABSTRACT CONCEPT GOD…
NO LANGUAGE OR logical STRUCTURE..IS NECESSARY TO BE
part of that..
It flows..in the way..
most animals enjoy a oneness with the force of what i describe as GOD…
I NEVER FULLY experienced that until this year..when i returned to nature..and escaped..the prison..
and illusions of cultural delusions..like hate..illusory fear..and a desire for anything but
the joy of now….
But it is a practice..my way is a similar way..that people have entered into a oneness with the ALL that is..
since 70 thousand years ago..
a natural form of TAI CHI dancing..walking in reverse..and belly dancing..
that flowed from me..
and was never lessoned from another human being…
The folks that come to this type of enlightenment have to escape logic..
it is the only way to do it..
in my opinion..and the more intelligent a person is per standard intelligence measures..
the more difficult it is..
but i veer from no challenge in life..or death.
And seriously it
s not that different than a hawk spiraling around the Sun..
it requires no thought at all….
But the experience of it is better than many human orgasms..at the same time..
continuously…
There are no words to even describe the experience..
of TRUE ONENESS WITH ALLITIS…
YEAH..SERIOUSLY I GOT A CASE OF ALLITIS..
BUT YEAH SERIOUSLY..IT’S NOT A BAD THING TO CATCH..
IF YA find a way TO FISH FOR IT….;)
I’m sure there are many other paths..
but the one i found
works for me..and yes
many folks find it in a similar way through history..
mostly Yogis and folks in the Buddhist tradition..of the way
to Bliss…and escape from human suffering…
My meditation is movement..
some folks do it sitting still…
but hell no i ain’t ever sitting still again.. like i did when i was a shut in for over 60 months with 19 documented medical disorders…
as long as i can move…toward.. and stay in an enlightened state of being…
that is the way i’m moving…
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Well, of course you should do what works for you. I don’t claim to know what is going on. I know it’s very strange and that’s about it..
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simon_says wrote:
Well, of course you should do what works for you. I don’t claim to know what is going on. I know it’s very strange and that’s about it..
aghogday wrote:
i cannot agree more with you ..everyone should do whatever works for them…
follow one’s own will is my basic philosophy for me and anyone else..who chooses that…
and no i do not even want to know what’s going on..as far as GOD may go…
i flow WITH IT..AND DON’T EVEN need to understand it
in what most folks describe as human reason..and or logic…
i seriously doubt that most Christians in our modern society..ever connect WITH IT..
they are simply too repressed…it’s like a giant cluster f** of human experience…and mind illusions…
A human being has to be as free as an animal in the wild to truly experience IT..
in only my opinion…i go to church for the human connection…
i go to nature..without human cultural artifacts for my dance with GOD…
But i can also transcend all of that now..in an extremely busy shopping mall..
That is what makes me like a Zen Master..
And hell no most people do not meditate in loud crowded malls..specifically 23 miles
in a TAI CHI dance walk..;)
That is a hell of an accomplishment all by itself..by whatever means necessary…..particularly
for someone like me..who couldn’t even stand the stimulus of a friggin 15 minute visit to Whataburger..
just last June…and part of why my therapist called my recovery a real life human miracle…
That is the way ..once again..i found what i describe as GOD…but it is an active process without logic and or reason..
once again…it needs no name…:)
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Now this is different, this is unique, but nevertheless, this is you, and for you, it’s got to be true 🙂
Thanks Amrit..i like to think the truth can be unique for each human being..but at the same
as sAMe..as ONE:)for 2 or more….;)
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DentArthurDent wrote:
Hang on, so what do you believe, most christians believe in Christ. They Believe in Christ of the bible, they believe that christ is the messiah, sent by god, and that whilst he brought a new covenant, the old one still stands.
However according to you, the bible is very much open to interpretation and nothing is to be taken at face value. So then what is the point of the bible, surely, taken to the logical. contemporary conclusion wikipedia supersedes the bible. If you can cherry pick the bible, taking from it what resonates with you and ignoring, or dismissing as falsehoods the bits you don’t like, then surely the bible is nothing more than a collection of philosophical treatises. By extrapolation of your perspective the existence of Jesus as either a man or the son of god is also open to interpretation and dismissal even from believers in the Book.
To be honest I find your perspective far more objectionable than I do the perspective of the likes of Moviefan. The latter takes the whole story and accepts it warts and all, yet you think its ok to decide which bits fit your own personal prejudice and reject the rest. The bible is either the word of god or it is not. God, Jesus, The Satan and the other Arch Angels either exist or they do not.
aghogday wrote:
I suggest a class in poetry…
Then perhaps you’ll understand…
I’m serious the bible is not meant to be taken literally…
But..it CAN BE extremely hard for a literally thinking person to understand that…
Been there done that…
I am no longer a literally thinking person…through great and extreme effort..
i use to talk and write just like a friggin computer….
But the real power of epigenetics and neuroplasticity makes almost anything possible for a human being…
Our genetics are evolved for adaptation..for much more than most folks ‘think’ they can do….
AND IN MY OPINION..much of what is described as HIGHER FUNCTIONING AUTISM..IS A LEARNED PROCESS..IN RESTRICTING
THE EMPATHIC PATHWAY AREAS OF LEARNING ..AKA KNOWN AS SOCIAL COGNITON..AND OR EMOTIONAL
INTELLIGENCE..
AND FURTHERMORE..RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT LOTS OF HIGHER FUNCTIONING AUTISTIC FOLKS DO NOT THINK THAT
MOVEMENT OR PHYSICAL EDUCATION..IS A NECESSARY PART OF LIFE…
WELL GUESS WHAT.. ACCORDING TO NATURE..
BOTH OF THESE TYPES OF INTELLIGENCE..
EMOTIONAL intelligence and physical intelligence are usually required for survival for a human being…
And for folks who think that culture and school provides all the answers..
In my opinion they are SADLY mistaken…
And furthermore just the ADHERENCE..to a computer screen or any other screen..rather than moving ALL AROUND IN A FLESH AND BLOOD WORLD..
IS A GREAT SOURCE OF HUMAN SUFFERING..WHETHER IT IS POOR EYESIGHT..PRE DIABETES..AT LEVELS OF A THIRD OF TEENAGERS..
OR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS..MOVING IN ON BEING PRESCRIBED TO MORE TEENAGERS THAN EVER BEFORE…
NOT MOVING CAN AND WILL DESTROY HEALTH..BOTH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL..
AND should JUST be COMMON SENSE…in my opinion…
AS RESEARCH NOW SHOWS… There are two pathways of the mind..one for social cognition or empathic thinking..
and one for mechanical cognition..
Spend time in just one..
and the other withers away..or the path narrows..if one wants to use that analogy….
The old saying USE IT OR LOSE..YES DOES apply ..
and if ya never used..it..
YES DOES APPLY…
I’M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS..MOSTLY BECAUSE IN MY PRACTICE of empathic/social cognition learning..
i’ve changed the organization and possibly structure of my mind…
I score an 11 on the AQ test..as opposed to 44 to 45..just 7 months ago…have moved from extreme introvert to extreme extrovert as opposed
to just 7 months ago..and not only that..i am stronger than i ever was before..and stronger at 53 than most of the marines at 21 at my military gym..for my
out of the box TAI CHI..reverse walking..belly dancing walk dance..that yes has made me finally be able to
find my way out of any friggin ‘paper bag’..
and hell no..before..i had to watch my wife walk..to even friggin walk at the store..comfortably..i was so uncoordinated before..for sitting my ass in front of a computer..
about 50 percent or more of the time..through the last 5 years of work..and a little over 5 years at home as an almost complete shut-in with those 19 documented medical disorders…
But i had a lot of time for research…
And i found the solutions that work for me..
and yes might work for someone else too..
But here’s the thing..like that parable about the camel going through the needle..
I can tell ya from my own experience that a person like me who did score that 44 to 45 on that AQ test..
and did score a 195 on that Aspie quiz and now scores a 92..
had no hands on belief in GOD..experience of belief in general..or even hope ..faith..
or even the ability to smile…remember a laugh or shed a tear…
Just the ability to be able to smile…
IS WORTH ALL THIS FRIGGIN EFFORT..:)
AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FULL EMPATHIC SKILLS THAT HUMANS CAN HAVE..
COMES A BURNING DESIRE TO FIND A WAY TO HELP OTHERS FOLKS..WITH SIMILAR DIFFICULTIES IN LIFE..
AS EXPERIENCED..
BUT THAT IS AN EXTREME CHALLENGE IN SOME CASES….
BUT I AM FEARLESS..AND NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE UP ON ANYTHING I SET OUT TO DO ..
EVEN WHEN I WAS COMPLETELY DISABLED..THAT PART NEVER DIED….
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS
WILL…
GIVEN ALL OTHER POTENTIAL LOSSES..IN LIFE…
IF THAT GOES..AWAY
IT’S ALL OVER..BASICALLY..AS FAR AS I CAN SEE….
AND IF YOU WERE ADDRESSING ME PERSONALLY..my belief in GOD mirrors that of a YOGI..
perhaps more than any other path….
But in my path to developing social cognition..and greater levels of empathy..
that human social practice is a path to understanding what makes other folks tick..
too….
And that is the altruistic part…of life..that an unrepressed totally free human being..
in my opinion..balanced in mind and body..usually experiences in life..most of the time…
The examples of that in history..and NOW ARE TOO MANY TO COUNT..
JESUS IS ONLY A SPECK OF THIS SMALLER THAN A PIECE OF DUST..IN THE HISTORY OF
HUMANKIND..FOR THIS FULL HUMAN EXPERIENCE.. OF LIFE..
BUDDHAHOOD.. HIGH PRIEST..CHRISTHOOD..ZEN MASTER..MARTIAL ARTS MASTER..WHATEVER THE TITLE THAT CULTURE MAY PUT ON IT…
But anyway perhaps this analogy will make it clearer..
ya know how some folks say life’s a b***h and then ya die..
Well for a TRULY ENLIGHTENED PERSON..OR THE COMMON ANIMAL EXPERIENCE THAT I INTUIT..MOST ANIMALS EXPERIENCING OUT THERE
IN THE WILD…
LIFE IS BLISS..AND ALL YOU DO IS LIVE NOW….
SERIOUSLY THAT IS HOW I FEEL ALL THE TIME..NOW..
SO WHAT MORE COULD I PERSONALLY ASK FOR IN LIFE..
AND HELL NO IT WAS HELL GETTING TO THIS POINT IN LIFE…
NOTHING WORTH LIVING FOR
IS FREE.
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AspieOtaku wrote:
How can someone be dead if they don’t exist?
aghogday wrote:
Well in this case dead is a metaphor..not meant to be taken literally…
AT least that is HOW the original quote as designed by Nietzche was intended…
Got ain’t a person..and while some people try..try..try.. to anthropomorphize GOD..
A force does not die..a force ONLY EXISTS…
OR DOES NOT EXIST…
SO PER THE TRUE GOD..PER THE IDEOLOGY OF FORCE…
IT’S A STATEMENT BY SOMEONE (NIETZCHE) WHO LIKE SO MANY FOLKS.. HERE..
was disgusted by so called Christians reading the New Testament literally..and old testament…
and making GOD into a friggin bearded man in the sky….
So he lashed out..like some folks do on this forum..BUT
It’s just as fundamentalist thinking..to reduce everything in life..to what is only known in science…to date…
That’s the kind of thinking..that kept the world flat as long as it was viewed that way..
It’s only the out of the box..thinkers..that live on a round world..
The rest of them..might as well still live on a flat world..
But that ..my wrong planet discussion mate…
is another metaphor..that i will explain in further detail..if need be…..
LIFE IS A HELL OF LOT MORE COMPLICATED AND BEAUTIFUL AND UGLY THAN
WHAT SCIENCE CAN CURRENTLY MAKE IT OUT TO BE….in TECHNICAL DESCRIPTIONS…
BUT only each human being can potentially discern this for themselves as they evolve in one lifetime…
as living beings….Some folks never never escape the illusions of culture..
to even get
close.
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ruveyn wrote:
Did Jesus exist? Do you mean Jesus the Incarnation of God Himself.
Think about it. Does God the Creator of Heaven and Earth need three meals a day and have take at least one dump daily?
I don’t think so.
ruveyn
aghogday wrote:
Well i’ll agree with you..if Jesus was all of GOD..he wouldn’t even fit on the earth…:)
or Universe for that ‘matter’….
and he if ‘he’ did poop..
get the hell out of the way…
it would be quite a ‘mother’
load…..
common sense .. common sense…
the bible was designed for folks
with
common sense….. to have any chance..
of discerning the beautiful and ugly type poetic..expressions..
just to get a friggin point across….
about how to have a fairly good
life.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
God is Dead originally appeared in Goethe’s Faust Nietzsche just borried.
How’s that for controversial?
aghogday wrote:
Yes ..i wouldn’t be surprised..if some of the dejected and despaired ancient Egyptians said the same thing ..about Isis..Osiris..and or Horus…
Sometimes the glass IS HALF FULL ..sometimes IT IS half empty…
It’s much easier to believe in an all encompassing benevolent force when the glass is more than half full..
Been there done that in both places…
That’s why i just describe ‘IT’ as a force..
Sometimes it ain’t pretty..but i guess there ain’t no choice but to deal with..IT on a moment to moment basis..in the NOW…!
WE all answer to nature..and our nature as human beings..that for sure is something none of can escape..on this planet ..as long as we live..
But i say why not enjoy bliss forever in the NOW..as when one is in that place…
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MOOT POINT..:)
NO WORRIES…
BE HAPPY..IS WHAT IT CAN BE
ALL ABOUT..:)
HAPPINESS CAN BE THE ALL
ENCOMPASSING TRUTH…
OR DESPAIR CAN BE
THE ALL
ENCOMPASSING TRUTH…
I CHOOSE THE FORMER..
AND STAY THERE IN
THE
NOW..:) 🙂 :)!!!
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