http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5889458.html#5889458
IN response to an OP in the link above..
on the topic of ‘Did Jesus REALLY Exist’…
My user name is Aghogday..on the Wrong Planet
website..a support site for folks
with Asperger’s Syndrome..a form of Autism…
Aghogday wrote:
Well..here’s one source that suggests Jesus is a Buddhist Monk..and considering that the gospels above and beyond the gnostic gospels.
that amplify this possibility..also talk about the Kingdom of Heaven in the NOW..LOVE your enemies..and many of the same other sentiments of Buddhist Monks..or at the highest levels Yogi’s..that IS not surprising..
But the most important part of Jesus’ teachings..MAN OR INVENTED BY OTHERS..IS a modern MORE civilized approach of A life of LOVE..and EGALITARIANISM..IE..GENTILE OR JEW..SERVANT OR FREE..that is most definitely required for a growing tribe of HU MAN approaching a global one NOW..
But there ARE so many people in history that equal the ‘POWER AND GLORY’ of the man Jesus..through incredible abilities..for humans like Yogi’s that do gain incredible powers to do what simple folks in the days of Jesus would see as ‘GOD LIKE’..like being able to stay warm in icy waters..and walking over hot coals uninjured..through the WILL and mind and body control that allows one to control the total functions of the body AND MIND as ONE..
Simply by looking inward..instead of an illusion of a culture..that may influence folks from everything..from female genital mutilation is GREAT AND A WAY TO GO..FOR EVEN FEMALES THEMSELVES honoring and respecting the horrifying practice..TO BOMBING THE HELL OUT OF A COUNTRY..TO PAY FOR SOME CONTRACTS TO REBUILD IT..
NAH..IT AIN’T FOLKS LIKE JESUS..WHETHER OR NOT HE EXISTED..THAT ARE CRAZY..
IT IS CULTURE OVERALL AND PEOPLE SITTING IN FRONT OF A SCREEN ALL DAY LONG NOT MOVING..
THAT HAVE LITERALLY LOST THEIR..
MIND AND BODY..
AS IF YA DON’T USE IT YA LOSE IT..
SIMPLE BRAIN AND BODY MATH IS ALL THAT IS….
AND FOLKS LIKE JESUS..SIMPLY TRIED TO ENLIGHTEN FOLKS THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE TO LIFE..
THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE IN THE HERD OF THE CULTURE..SCHOOL WORK AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT NAH..MOST people never heard/HEAR or even got the Buddhist Monk Jesus’ message..
otherwise they would be enjoying the power and glory of the BLISS of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IN THE NOW…
RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL THEY DIE..
FOR NOTHING..OR LIVING THE ILLUSION OF CULTURE..SCHOOL..WORK..ETC..ETC..ETC….
NOW THAT’S CRAZY..AND IT DON’T EVEN REFLECT THE MYTH OF JESUS..EVEN IF HE DIDN’T EXIST..
THAT
S AD
IS ALL..
IN MY OPINION..
I’LL GO FOR YOGI..
LIKE JESUS…MYTH OR NOT..:)
AND NAH..I DON’T NEED NO CLASS..IT’S NATURAL TO BE A YOGI..IF ONE
SIMPLY ESCAPES THE PRISONS OF CULTURE..
JUST STARTS MOVING AGAIN..in all directions..not just walking on the sidewalk..
and it does naturally come as amazing new abilities..unlocked from our DNA..
through epigenetics…and neuroplasticity…
Even the ability to balance oneself when walking where moving is almost effortless..and
simply a joy..like a butterfly floating on land..defying gravity…
It’s almost like walking on water..
if ya can imagine that..;)
And oh by the way..through the monotone sound of the voice of that guy in the OP opening video..
with no emotion and all of that..
It’s pretty obvious to me..that he’s only using half his brain..
when he even speaks..
perhaps he too..could be awakened/enlightened by someone..anyone..
like a YOGI…
They most often talk with full emotion..as they are using both hemispheres of their
brains in more of a full and intelligent manner..than a frigging boring..ring..
of an old phone…invented by culture..
and all of that..like the guy in the video linked
in the OP…
i would fall asleep listening to him..if i could make it through all of that..
dam only if he could use some emotion..humor ..or anything to keep an audience..
entertained..
yah..like a yogi..dam it..:)or
Jesus..the gnostic gospels myth or the man…
it doesn’t matter anyway..the essence of truth is reality..
ALL YOGI’S KNOW THAT..TRAINED OR NATURAL..;)
or godlike or whatever…:)ITISWH@ITIS
AND HERE IS MORE DETAILS LINKED HERE ON THE POTENTIAL
THAT THE HISTORICAL MAN JESUS..IS A YOGI..
AND YES HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DISTINGUISHED AS VERY SPECIAL..
IF HE WAS A YOGI..OUT THERE IN THE WILD OF JEWISH CULTURE….
LET’S JUST SAY..
HE WOULD BE HARD
TO FORGET…SERIOUSLY…
IN REAL LIFE..OR TEXT..AS PART
OF MYTH..OR WHATEVER.
KATiE MiA FredericK!iI 
More discussion on this topic from the Wrong Planet website:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5890430.html#5890430
ModusPonens wrote:
Hello
I didn’t read the whole post, but I will respond.
There are three ways about this:
1- Jesus was a very functional psychotic;
2- Jesus was a yogi (in the hindu sense);
3- Jesus was a buddhist monk/yogi;
Hypothesis 1 alone is unlikely because to find a very functional psychotic, that has no help with medication or therapy, is extremely rare. Let alone someone that will believe him consistently.
Hypothesis 3 alone is also unlikely because the Buddha was atheist and it would be unlikely that in that period there were theist buddhist monks. Not as unlikely as the first option for sure, but still unlikely.
Hypothesis 2 alone is the most likely of them. His teachings seem a lot like what is seen in some of the Upanishads, afaik. And if there was ever a miracle, that could only have happened if he practiced samadhi to develop his abilities.
aghogday wrote:
YES number ONE is laughable at best..and ‘arm chair’ psychologists..often enjoy making anyone who communicates or thinks out of the box..into a schizophrenic..even if they are president of the United States..or such as that…
Well.. number THREE while not as believable as number TWO to me..per the attention and focus that an actual YOGI could receive in any culture..where folks have nowhere close to that type of enlightenment AND REAL LIFE abilities..
IS still possible as the one of the world’s leading scholars for religion..clearly indicates in the BBC documentary linked above..that there IS Some Buddhist influence in the geographical area during the historical period of the man Jesus’ life…
But what i think is more likely is that his actions and beliefs simply reflected the essence of AND TRUTH..OF WHAT any enlightened human being can do..when escaping the illusion of culture..
An American Indian..Sacred Shaman/Clown/Warrior..could just as easily reflect the nature of a YOGI..and their feats and accomplishments historically are not presented in that much of a different feature of miraculous endeavor than what is recorded of the historical man Jesus…
And the similar myths of Virgin Birth and Walking on water..are also historically recorded for the Historical original Buddha as well..
And one can go on..with seeing the same..about the Egyptian..myth.. of Horus..
The fact of the matter is that humans who do amazing things..the ‘herd’ cannot do..are often idolized as GOD’s of culture..
It’s really no surprise..that if the historical man Jesus .. possessed these ‘SUPERMAN’ LIKE qualities..that he TOO.. IS observed..remembered..
and written about in a mythological way AS THE SIMILAR…
But enlightenment and the real health benefits of it as evidenced in health science today..IS REAL..THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT..
THAT THE way of the Yogi..or potentially even the American Indian Clown/Shaman/Warrior..or Buddhist Monk..IS SIMPLY A WAY OF
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN NOW..THAT IS ONLY A METAPHOR FOR BLISS..OR NIRVANA…..
AS YE ARE GODS..LOVING ENEMIES..AND ALL OF THAT IN
THIS WAY..IN THE NOW..
not yesterday..tomorrow or after death..for some promise of
uncertainty.
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ArrantPariah wrote:
Either way: the right for a woman to decline coitus is socially constructed.
shau wrote:
Non sequitur. Nothing you have said supports this conclusion. Being less-restrictive sexually is not the same as being incapable of not wanting a sexual advance.
I would never, ever, ever leave any woman alone with a person who believes this, especially with such a nonsensical argument. I quietly wonder how many women you have molested in your many days. Let’s hope none.
Arrantpariah wrote:
Of course none. I’m a nonviolent chap. Moreover, I don’t want to get beaten up or imprisoned.
But, ancient law codes:
http://books.google.com/books?id=tVeh3C8XGP4C&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=hammurabi%27s+code+rape+payment&source=bl&ots=DF5n6Br5i5&sig=UDMzzTBfxuV0CbncAe4a43CttKI&hl=en#v=onepage&q=hammurabi's%20code%20rape%20payment&f=false
aghogday wrote:
Yes..it is still a dog rape dog..reality in some cultures..
But that is certainly not to suggest that it is still not rape…
Legalization..of rape..or a cultural sanction of rape..neither excuses the rapist or
the culture from committing..horrifying harm to a woman when considered nothing but property..
And yes this is apparent in the code linked above…a woman while married and raped..was considered worthless..
and put to death..
So obviously the culture only considered her valuable for one thing..in marriage..
cattle to bear the genetic material of the direct sire of child….
And yes..this still goes on..
particularly in some Muslim countries..even with female college graduates..fully understanding the freedom of other countries..
they (many of them) submit to rape..as it is their culture’s way to pay for the economically suitable..husband by Dowry..and then the future wife of the unknown husband
must submit..by cultural norm..whether she wants it or not…
So many sacrifice their will..for what culture brainwashes them to do…
But some instead..kill themselves..
Nah..women do not like to be raped..not even when they are brainwashed
to think they have to do it..if they don’t want to do it.
Well..at least we do not live in these dark ages any more in the US..
People have the cognitive abilities..to respect other folks desires and wishes..
whether their loins say i would like some or not.
NOW that is a culture that works..
and does not work to harm others..in this way..AGAINST WOMEN…
AND back in the so called cave man days..men and women were not nearly as sexually dimorphic..
ya wouldn’t wanna piss one of ‘them’ women..off..they could kick some serious ass…if they were not
in the mood…the odds were much more even..where will ruled WITH CULTURE overall…
and everyone was as strong as the ‘incredible hulk’..in metaphor and analogy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:32 am
All rights are socially constructed. Rights make no sense outside of a social context.
When a new lion assumes control of a harem, he kills the existing cubs and impregnates the lionesses. Neither the cubs nor the lionesses have any rights.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:11 am
Of course…morals AND rights are socially constructed…
But social construction..is also a natural process of the human animal..
So i’m not sure what your point is..
We are not Lions..per language..collective intelligence and the natural consequence that comes after that..
Culture..
Perhaps in the grand scheme of life on the planet IT (OVERALL human culture) is a virus in metaphor…
but never the less..rights AND morals ARE NO LESS NATURAL than
your guitar…
or the digital ART in CREATIVITY..IN WORDS..and GUITAR VIDEOS..MADE POSSIBLE
BY YOUR dam Computer…
Can you see the common sense in that..
No thing..IS UN NATURAL..
IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE..OR beyond.
MAN MADE YAH..LIKE A BEAVER MAKES A DAM…
BUT THE ONLY THING THAT SETS HUMANS APART..
INITIALLY..IS COMPLEX SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE..
A PREHENSILE THUMB..WRITTEN LANGUAGE..
AND
THE
REST
IS
HISTORY
AND YES…
YOUR dam GUITAR…:)
computer and all of THAT… THOSE
CULTURAL BYPRODUCTS…
and YES ..ETHICS..MORALS..
AND RIGHTS TOO…
AND OH MY GOD..YES! EVEN JESUS
CHRIST..BUDDHA..MUHAMMAD
AND ALL THOSE YOGI DUDES..
WHOSE ENLIGHTENED CULTURAL AND YES
STILL NATURAL WAYS OF GREATER ENLIGHTENMENT
BRING STRONGER AND BETTER ETHICS..MORALS..HUMAN
ANIMAL RIGHTS..AND OH MY GOD YES2..
EVEN
MORE BLISS!
TO OTHER FOLKS…
and OH MY GOD YES!!!
THIS IS kinda a natural CULTURAL..SOCIALLY
CONSTRUCTED.. mind and body
orgasm.. if ya get my drift!
without all the ‘messy stuff’…..
BUT YA SEE..
IT’S STILL NATURAL..
IF YA CAN OR WILL…
And this is like a parable Arrant Pariah..
just to help ya..understand the common sense of this.
i read people fairly well visually .. and looking at
your guitar playing..ya seem like a nice..
but lonely guy…and yah.. in ‘that’ way too….
and i hope ya are finding some connection here..
whatever it is ya are seeking;)2
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ArrantPariah wrote:
Oh, and the crucifixion story itself was just taken from Josephus’ history. During the war, Josephus saw three of his friends being crucified, and asked Titus to let them down. Two of them died, and one survived. This was the basis of the New Testament crucifixion story.
aghogday wrote:
Hmm maybe ..but maybe not..
It’s not like the historical Jesus..is the only reported dude
crucified in history.. ya know..
And not surprising really that it happened to someone
else thinking out of the ‘cultural box’..and all of that…
And yes..it often happened to more than one person at a time..
and YES there are reports of folks surviving it…
Even possibly Jesus..LITERALLY SURVIVING IT..
NOT crawling out of death alive out of a tomb after three
days or any of that mythological metaphor story stuff..:)
People who were crucified most often died of asphyxiation historically
speaking and that was a long drawn out process of suffering..
Perhaps up to three days on the cross..before actually dying..
And per those historical record stories..and all of that
in the bible..the new testament part..Jesus only stayed up there
a few hours..so yes..indeedy..he could have survived..
technically.. unless he died of bloody wounds and or stuff like that…
But again..once again..i’ll link my handy dandy..little video for potential evidence..
as i do not want anyone to think..i am pulling this info..out my ass or
anything like that…;)
And no.. this is a BBC documentary.. they do not publish ‘fly by night’ crap..
And YES .. it is narrated in part.. by one of the highest regarded religious scholars
in the world…
Enjoy..if ya get time and or wanna watch it.
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