39 Responses to !IS IT OK TO LUV luciFER?

1. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

   My new ‘all encompassing special interest’ ..if you will.. is Photography… I’ve posted almost 6 thousand photos in the last 6 weeks..

   Some of which are very unusual and some of which are outstanding in beauty of the beaches that surround my local area..if you will..2

   So here is the link..enjoy if you will3…please share if you like…

   I AM not one to take ‘ownership of nature’…

   Hehe…

   

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2. White Pearl says:

   October 4, 2013 at 11:11 AM

   Well you should keep up your new interest and hobby….I am loving the pictures ! Its just that they take so much time to load here….It would be nice if you choose some very good ones and share them with a caption ! Just an opinion. Your wife looks gorgeous.

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   • katiemiafrederick says:

     October 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

     Lala…I am so sorry they take so long to load in your country..they are actually important to my overall goals in what I do..that I do not directly communicate…

     Although I have attempted to communicate this with you…

     So..thank you for your patience for still hanging in there and sharing in what I do…

     Lovexx…

     Most of my readers are likely ‘Autistic’ in the US..as there are over 25K total views on my 3 main blog sites now..in 6 months..so I am definitely meeting my overall goals of attempting to inspire people to keep on living who might actually be at the point of suicide..as there is no other lower point that exists in our existence..if you will understand what i am saying there…and hearthis here..if you will…

     Is all about love..inspiration..and passion to live this wonderful life of light and love that can be reality for anyone no matter what their religion may be..or even if they have no religion at all…

     IS ALL THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS THAT MATTERS IN MY OPINION..ANYWAY..SO FOR ME WHATEVER IS AS GOOD A WORD FOR GOD FOR WHAT IS AS WHAT IS IS THAT IS ALL IS IS..AS ONE AS ALL…IF WILLS..IS ALL…FOR4ONe1’STRUEWILL…S

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3. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 9:48 AM

   Interesting discussion on my personal katie mia facebook page..the one I inhabited now since September of 2011..she is one of three people outside of my family who have asked to be my facebook friend..one ‘distanced’ themselves…after ‘some’ of my ‘unusual’ opinions…but two have stayed true as facebook friends and both are very much like me..per the way I experience autism..in extremes of ethics of how people treat their fellow human beings..as far as true compassions goes…
   For all differences of human beings..not just the ones some people prefer..if you will..anyway Mir…
   and a.. is so much like me..it is scary..hehe…
   She is only one of a few autistic people who have stood up to the injustices of Shannon Rosa on the thinking Person’s guide to Autism..where Ms. Rosa tells people they support murder when they only have compassion for their fellow human beings who have fallen to the darker sides of human nature if you will..I for one will stand with Miranda…Miranda’s right that is to be free2..in expressing her liberty and support of her fellow human beings…
   Miranda Flemming:
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   would you agree that black & white, rigid thinking is a trait of a ‘perfectionist’ mindset? ie someone that strives for some unrealistic ideals of perfection (in some area, whether academic, how they look, their housekeeping etc). Usually to compensate for hidden inadequacies?
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   Miranda Flemming: Would you agree perfectionists are hypercritical, anxious, rigid thinkers – all or nothing? And run in families? Seems to be very much the case for both sides of family. I was perfectionist until burnt out at uni, and then deliberately had to settle…See More
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   Katie Mia: Yes.most definitely me with autism for an extended period of time..and my wife with OCD…2…

   For me the issue was acceptance..for my wife the issue as simply fear..and lots of IT..that remains..too..also…2..if you will..

   About the time I stopped …See More
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   Miranda Flemming: I feel anxious with some food chemicals eg gluten and also with sensory stresses eg loud noise, strong smells, crowds etc. But any anxieties I previously had with ‘perfectionism’ – in religion, academic studies etc was I think based in fear and in wan…See More
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   Katie Mia: Wow..I cannot figure out where ‘diser’ came from..I guess It’s a good think that i went to sleep..after i wrote that.

   This shift return thingy..is not my friend on facebook either…

   Sometimes i think they do that on purpose to skimp on server space if you will..haha!

   Well maybe I would be a conspiracy theorist2 like some other people we know..if took that thought seriously..hehe!

   But as usual i ‘must’ digress first…

   Part of my journey from a 44 to 45 on the AQ test now down to an 11…was the science of non-conformity..if you will…

   It’s actually a measurable phenomenon on my Katie Mia Aghogday blog from around the middle part of that blog where every..’queens english’ semicolon and other ‘punctuation’ points had to be perfect or to use an analogy..my ‘butt puckered’….

   Writing became my special interest..my laser focus..and whenever I had a special interest IT had to be perfect even IF i let everything else go in my life..including cleaning the house or whatever else….

   I like most of what Temple Grandin says although I have had some disagreement over her statements on vaccines which she removed from her website..that made me honor her even more as she is also not afraid to make mistakes and correct them….

   I have IT linked somewhere on my Katie Mia Aghogday blog..but can’t think of which post it is at the moment…but in one of the texts of one of her interviews..with the science community…she goes on in detail to talk about the autism spectrum and conformity of acceptance…where conformity to the social expectations becomes not only a preferable way to ‘get ahead’ in life but even a life or death contingency for some Autistic People…

   I can certainly say this is true for me…

   When I was in school i perfected my ‘new’ all encompassing science of conformity to the expectations to the point that people ‘thought’ i was the most ‘normal’ classmate of all..about the time I got to be a senior..where In reality i was mostly falling off a cliff everyday in the anxiety of my mind…

   When I got out of high school and had not the same friends..routines and regular structure..my life slowly crumbled as I had nothing to ‘latch’ on to..if you will…

   This IS part of what led to depression..extreme depression..if you will..as I had no ‘automatic roadmap’..like most people do to make friends…

   Eventually this went away when I found new social roles at new jobs at the University as an archaeology research associate and bookstore employee..regaining the structure and connections in life..i so much cherished in high school…

   The Military Bowling Center I worked out was really easy…just say thank you a lot for everything even when people are supposed to say your welcome..smile all the time..and ‘you’ are the star of the show..if you will..and everyone loves you and knows your name..kinda like cheers…

   Boy I didn’t want to leave that place..and eventually found myself as Athletic Director of the Military Installation..the last place the kid picked last on sports teams expects to find himself in adult life..and the last place any of my high school acquaintances would have ever predicted me to land..but there weren’t many ‘jocks’ that understood computers at that time…so the ‘nerd’ in me is what made me..in the words..of my ‘jock’ and rather intelligent Director of the government organization I worked for tell me I was a proven ‘commodity’…he was somewhere on the broader autism phenotype too..i think..as that was a pretty ‘cold’ thing to say right in front of a person’s face..although I saw the humor in it…per non-congruent humor..if you will..the monty python type I guess..hehe…instead of haha…

   Well i’m in full adhd mode now..wondering what the ‘question’ was..oh yeah..anxiety..that’s the one..

   My formula to rid the anxiety that was once termed as the worst case ever by my psychiatrist..is the science of non-conformity now..instead of the science of conformity of my youth..

   A rigorous routine of doing everything short of harming anyone else..or moving past the ‘threading the halls of sanity’ if you will…this is what I am documenting on my you tube videos and my flickr feed..if you will…

   I think I found the cure to my autism…metaphorically speaking..the reciprocal social communication part that I have always struggled with…just me me..yeah I’m really strange deep down inside letting all the inhibitions go…but I have a heart that’s pure..and would never intentionally hurt anyone’s feelings..as I always feel their feeling the same if they were mine…

   The most important lesson I have now is to separate the emotional contagion of others from myself…and this is really what separates some autistic people from others..some do have extreme emotional contagion and some have very little at all..and still others who once had extreme emotional contagion with others..have IT repressed to the point where they find themselves in ‘alexithymia’ land and yes this is what happened to me..along with all the other health problems I had…

   Empathy is a very complicated human attribute and the science of empathy is just now getting to the point where it can be broken down into logical units and understood through the structure of logic if you will..I actually helped to write the definition of empathy on Wiki..as it became my special interest in my period of having no emotions at all..and losing almost all ability to demonstrate empathy with others in real life…although I could still do it in writing..as the physical pain of connecting to others in real life IS muted online..at least for me…

   My user name is yellowboy70 and I also edited some entries that were ‘twisted’ if you will by the neurodiveristy community..on aspergers and autism..and I also did some work on digit ratio2…2d/4d digit ratio..that is…

   Well..back to nonconformity to give an example..I have a Nike GPS watch that keeps track of workouts..my walking workouts at malls and stores..where my wife shops and I walk for exercise very very fast..if you will.. Well..I walk in reverse too..about a third of those miles..which equated to 2 miles out of the 6 miles I walked last night..yeah my wife likes to shop a whole lot..hehe…haha…and yeah her OCD makes every towel straight on hanging from the bar on the bathroom too..for analogy there on the clean ‘freak’ thing..germaphobia and all that too2..if you will3…@least the house is clean..really really always clean..and me too..hehe..and she makes sure I take my baths..I would do that anyway..as i like to be clean too..but she makes sure they are on her routine…yeah I still have to conform at home..that’s how I stayed married for 23 years2..didn’t mention that above..in the conformity part…but yes it’s true…

   WEll anyway back to reverse…the adults in the stores largely ignore me..but the kids see the value in what I do and copy it2..haha..hehe..i think that thing jesus said..the man that was jesus..not the lie that people made him into a god..was pretty much true..as far as I can see….looking at life like a child is simply moving outside of the brainwashing of conformity..to really really love life..again..smiles…:);)….
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4. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

   IF LUCIFER WERE ALIVE..THIS IS THE MUSICK THE ARCHANGEL BEARER OF LIGHT AND BEING OF MUSICK WOULD BE LIVING.. THIS.. I THINK…

   THIS MUSICK TAKES MY MIND TO PLACES..YEAH.. PLACES….

   OTHER DIMENSIONS..IF YOU WILL….

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5. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 10:56 AM

   HMMM…THAT WAS THE 37TH OUT OF 37TH IN A ALIST OF 37 ELECTRO HOUSE MIXES ON YOUTUBE..IF YOU WILL..WEL’IL’GUESS’ILL..TRY NUMBER 1 OUT 37 AND SEYES WHAT HAPPENS..SINCE I HAVEN’T SEEN THE HIGHLY TRAINED MONKEYS YET….

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6. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

   HMMM..OK..I’M WAITING TRAINED MONKEYS..HEHEHAHA!….

   BUT WHILE I’M WAITING HERE IS THE FIRST LINK IN bracKets..SO YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT OTHER THAN ALL THE KOOL LETTERS AND NUMBERS ABOVE AND BELOW NOW THERE…and here..now..too2two….

   [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApVjoxq-pBc&list=ELs_3BY0UdnuE]

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7. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

   Test to see if the monkeys have a ‘personal’ issue with TH@ youtube list…

   HERE’S TO SUPERTRAMP..I THINK ‘WOULD’ ENJOY THAT MUSICK2..HEHEHAHA!HUH?HEH!

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8. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

   HMM..I GUESS I’LL HAVE TO FIGURE this one OUT….

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9. katiemiafrederick says:

   October 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

   OK..LET’S TRY THIS!..OH! WAIT! THIS IS EVEN BETTER! IT HAS NUMBER 38! AND AT LEAST NUMBER 37..2…IN THAT LIST OF 37…IT’S STILL EXTRAKOOL2! take yOUR LUCIFER OUT..IF YOU WILL..WTFTW….for a spin…hehehahahuheh….!:);)………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    hmm..sorry ’bout that first thumbnail..but…it’s only a butt..after all is said and done…we all have them you know..and they do all look the same..don’t they…hehehehehehehehh…………………….now..yeah…hehehaha…..yea….H8..1……..818181818181818181818181818181818..81.81.8.1..H..8..1..H81

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11. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 11:18 AM

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12. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 11:19 AM

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13. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

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14. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Oh goodness! The ‘fun’ continues on WrongPlanet…
    website..that is…
    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5672862.html#5672862
    I just copied and pasted everything written there in this post I made in hopes of stimulating imagination..and moving someone potentially in to the ‘right hemisphere’ of thought..IF one wills…

    aghogday
    KATiE MiA FredericK!iI

    Joined: Nov 26, 2010
    Age: 53
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    Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: !IS IT OK TO LUV luciFER?
    !IS IT OK TO LUV luciFER?

    Posted on October 3, 2013 by katiemiafrederick

    !IS IT OK TO LUV luciFER?

    http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/2013/10/is-it-ok-to-luv-lucifer.html

    http://katiemiafrederick.blogspot.com/2013/10/is-it-ok-to-luv-lucifer.html

    Note: This post is multimedia intensive and may be difficult to open in word press without a powerful computer..if you will…
    There are many beautiful beach pictures likely well worth seeing even if one ‘cannot tolerate’ the associated philosophical thoughts..
    So two other links are provided for weaker computers..if you will…2

    But here’s the text…

    HAha!

    Even if the myth of Satan is true and not just a metaphor of the dark nature of any animal than can ensue…

    Lucifer is the Angel of Light and Music not the ‘dam devil’…

    Cannot even anyone ‘read’ the ‘dam bible’…

    As what IT IS.. ‘a reAL METAPHOR’!

    http://www.helium.com/items/2071399-lucifer-was-a-man-nebuchadnezzar-ii

    EVen my wife understandS! thiS!..WhY? IN! metaphorical ‘EFFEcKT’!

    sHE lives with some..one who Loves Light and Music almost better than anything that IS THE WHOLE THAT IS ONE…

    IT…

    iF ONE wills…

    MusicK! IS! a HEAler!…

    YOUtube!..is a computer manifestation of ‘LUCIfer’!..if one wills…

    Lucifer..IS the Angel of Lightness..and LIFE…
    Bliss..AllasONE..MusicK..Human Heaven…
    Satan….
    IS the Angel of Darkness…

    anD Death..Nothingness..Abyss..Human Hell…

    Both THAT compriseS God..the FATher..Lucifer seated at the Right hand of the father..the mother earth..the one..the whatever IS IT..Jesus..one human manifestation in poetry of the LIGHT AND LOVE that IS!

    AND! MUSICK! and CAN BE DARKNESS2! and IN MUSICKAL DISCORD IF one WILLs..in darkness! INSTEAD! OF celeSTIal HARmony that IS LIGHT LOVE MUSiCKaCCORDingLy…

    AND FLOWS FROM TRUE WILL LOVE LIGHT!!

    SATAN seated at the LEFT HAND of the MOTher..the FATher earth..the one..the whatever IS IT..maybe Adoloph Hitler..who knows..only the ‘RAVEn’ knows in metaphorical ‘IMPACT!’..if ONe wills…

    THE PHOENIX ARISES FROM THE ASHES..IS BORN AGAIN..LOVE LIVES LIGHT..TRUE WILL LOVE..WE ALL HAVE THIS POTENTIAL AS HUMAN BEINGS…

    IT IS IN yOUR DNA..IF oNE WILLs…

    SO! in total metaphorical ‘effecKt’…

    LUCiFER IS THE ‘JamES DeAN’ of MUSICK!

    AN ANGEL!

    A REBEL WITH ‘A REAL’ CAUSE!

    THROUGH HUMAN HEALING POWER OF MUSICK AND LIGHT’!!

    IF FUNDAMENTALISTS SUCCEED IN TAKING THIS POWER OF MUSICK AWAY!

    LIKE THEY DO!

    IN SOME MUSLIM COUNTRIES!…

    TAKE AWAY!
    THE POTENTIAL!
    OF HEALING MUSCIK!
    AND LIGHT IF ONE WILLS…

    THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE USA GREA..T!
    HAHA!
    GOOGLE!..
    YOUTUBE!..
    WIKI!…

    AND ALL THE OTHER FREEDOM WAYS OF LIGHT TRUE LOVE AND WILL…

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    Muscikal discord too..
    BUT!
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    Makes the ONE that IS IT…
    IF! one wILLs of ALL….AH!
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    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postx238546-270-0.html

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    WE ARE ALL PART OF ONE TEAM..FRIENDS IN THE END…

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    Visiting the Garden of ‘Band Aid’

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    SPEAKING OF INSPIRATION I AM SO PROUD

    OF MY CATHOLICK.. IF one WILLs.. FRIEND BILL O’REILLY!

    AS COURAGEOUS..BRAVE TO ASSIST.. TO DISPEL THE MYTHS ABOUT JESUS!

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    Oh and by the way…

    My new ‘all encompassing special interest’ ..if you will.. is Photography… I’ve posted almost 6 thousand photos in the last 6 weeks..

    Some of which are very unusual and some of which are outstanding in beauty of the beaches that surround my local area..if you will..2

    So here is the link..enjoy if you will3…please share if you like…

    I AM not one to take ‘ownership of nature’…

    Hehe…

    

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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject:
    what?
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    my signature is shameless self promotion:

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Whatever” is IT as far as I see IT..hehe..haha..It’s..all fun sees…seyes…
    IS
    IS
    IT..of course..
    only if you will..
    this is only my will…
    after
    ALL
    IS said
    and done..as so I think
    is the case with all others..
    2.
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:19 pm Post subject:

    Zacb wrote:
    Your life. Just don’t be an idiot about your views and go kill someone.
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    I lost my whistle in ’95

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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject:
    Yes!
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:12 pm Post subject:
    Feralucce wrote:
    what?

    “Whatever” is IT as far as I see IT..hehe..haha..It’s..all fun sees…seyes…
    IS
    IS
    IT..of course..
    only if you will..
    this is only my will…
    after
    ALL
    IS said
    and done..as so I think
    is the case with all others..
    2.
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    aghogday
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject:
    zacb wrote:
    Your life. Just don’t be an idiot about your views and go kill someone.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Hmm..now that’s an interesting response…

    Where in the world did you get that Idea..

    Oh wait! Maybe IT IS my signature line..

    If so! you could have specifically asked I guess..

    But in case you do not see details as I do…

    My veteran rank is KATiE MiA FredericK!il

    Some of us Autistic Folks are what IS described as Hyperlexic..

    Which means we decode all types of symbols in math..words..letters..numbers..etc.etc.etc..everything in nature and all of that2 including philosophy, religion and most everything else 2twotoo2..and all of that 3 if so IS the case..anyway..

    But I digress..as my perception and analysis of the world is much much different and even ‘greater’..if one wills..than most other people in this world..

    In other words I have a glimpse of more of what most people describe as ‘reality’ than most others experience in this thing most people describe as life…

    So in a way this IS my ‘autistic superpower’..yeah ..remember..’Rainman’..I am a little like hiim..but my real superpower is seeing the soul of others…all I need is one look at their eyes..and sometimes I can even see their soul in words..and even colors of it too…

    yOURS is looking a little black..to..day..my friend..these days..@least that is what I see of it in yOUR words..but anyway back to my veteran rank name…

    The K is special to me..It is alpha letter in most languages and has much more significance in the full reality that I see that you likely could imagine..even on a ‘good” day..if you will…

    The exclamation point! IS my personal symbol for what some people like to describe as the ‘holy spirit’..the great AMerican Indian spirit ‘stuff’..works as well for me..for the essence of what IS beyond the empty vessels of the structure of the English language without words..if you will…

    The i IS my personal symbol man as connected to the ALL that is ONE…

    And finally the I is the woMAN the ego that is only an illusion a construct like an actor of the ‘world’..if you will…

    So yeah..I AM..really deep my friend..but I AM what people in real life describe as the most compassionate person they ever met…

    So your thoughts are rather shallow..if based simply on your confusion of the ‘mission’ of the two eyes of really seeing in i and I..as Kill rather than love..my friend…

    If your head doesn’t hurt by now..I am ‘thinking’ your thoughts are changed just a little if you made IT this far in the discourse..as after all I live in bliss…

    I only hope to share ‘just’ a little bit of my heaven with others..but sadly enough most people enjoy their stay in relative human hell..the cage that only humans make for themselves..as all animals other than humans under the trappings of cultural illusions of collective intelligence are truly enlightened and not forgetting souls in the human hell that is real enough in metaphor..my friend…

    If I did NOT Kare for my so called ‘enemies’ I would not even give you the time of day..in another metaphor if you will..I could be ‘selfish’ and keep my heaven all to myself…

    But the ‘true God” will never allow that as the True God is…

    EOVLOVE

    GET IT?

    NOWON!

    Hmm..let’s hopes so..@least..i..retain that faith…
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:37 pm Post subject:
    babybird wrote:
    Yes!

    Aghogday wrote:

    Wow! yeseyes!

    You truly see..my real friend..baby bird….
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    Um, yeah.. All I was saying as long as you are not like these Dicks , I think we are good.
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject:
    I hear it’s amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm, in flap-jaw space, with the tuning fork, does a raw blink on Hiri-Kiri rock! I need scissors! 61! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo!

    I don’t mean to be an ass, but your posts are very hard to read and follow on account of punctuation, formatting, and capitalization.
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject:
    drh1138 wrote:
    I hear it’s amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm, in flap-jaw space, with the tuning fork, does a raw blink on Hiri-Kiri rock! I need scissors! 61! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo!

    I don’t mean to be an ass, but your posts are very hard to read and follow on account of punctuation, formatting, and capitalization.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    The purpose of my post is to take people out of the ‘prison’ that is the box…

    In other words just a little ‘right hemisphere’ thinking if you will..

    Of the thing called life..

    That is all..of course there is no need to read my posts..

    if you are not in to

    all

    of

    That..the bigger life stuff..if you will….
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject:
    zacb wrote:
    Um, yeah.. All I was saying as long as you are not like these Dicks , I think we are good.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Kool..and yeah extra cool.. with K..

    After all I AM Autistic too…

    And am finding myself

    Always verifying and clarifying communicK@i..ON..if you will…

    As I AM and even moreso so much morseo have been is/are challenged in that area of life..

    This is why I do the ‘abstract’ stuff now and have actually been successful in ‘real life’

    In curing what was described as my serious reciprocal social communication difficulties…

    No challenge is to small for me…

    Curing Autism is only the STaR..T

    if you will…

    WILL! YEAH! that’s where IT IS@

    Thanks friend..for the clarification..

    We aRe GOoD…
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15. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5672949.html&highlight=#5672949

    Is it ok to believe in God…… Previous 1, 2, 3 … 18, 19, 20

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    DentArthurDent
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:05 am Post subject:
    quivara wrote:
    The original question of this thread was “is it OK to believe in God”? It was not a request if God exists or proofs thereof, or vice versa. Think what you all are doing to this simple (shouldn’t be a request) situation. If there is a hell, you are it with your banter! Be still! ……Just please be respectful and read more: William James, Zygon: The Journal of Religion & Science, “The Tao of Physics”, “The Holographic Universe”, C.G. Jung, Micrea Eliade – anything, even Socrates on virtue, but this! Relief for the universe is needed from the poorly typed, misspelled, ill-thought-out, inconsiderate drivel put out on this thread. Your “arguments” are going nowhere. Everyone might just as well go to their own corners, either for eternity or just the worm – as one chooses, or best deserves!.

    This is the very nature of forum discussions. I answered the OP’s original question, with what I regard as reasonable qualifying statements, as with nearly all forum discussion threads the content and debate has gone past the original question. For me the question “is it OK to believe in God is not a simple one. It has many variables and these should be discussed.

    Admittedly the thread has turned into “does god exist” so rather than insinuate that you are so more highly read than the rest of us, why don’t you try and turn it back to its original quest, surely someone with your advanced learning, concise grammar, neatly typed and well considered opinions should be capable of that.
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:55 am Post subject:
    appletheclown wrote:
    If anyone doesn’t understand, anyone from any religion can believe anything science has to say, it is just part of the universe. It is usually mentioned in the front page of every religious textual anthology there ever was in the history of the earth, aka the creation story. To believe in the literal sense of the stories is up to us for the most part, but the concept of creation and everything in it is universal to just about every sentient being we know of. Religion is the handcuffs for science at all.

    Religion has no say in science.
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject:
    b9 wrote:
    i am sorry aghogday. i did not know your avatar picture was of you. it is going to sound insincere of me no matter what i say i have just realized.

    let me think: ok. if a saw the baby in your avatar lost in public, i would certainly take it to a police station
    so it could be returned to where it rightfully belongs.

    whatever… just know that i will not make jokes outside of my field of competence about you or anyone else again.

    Thanks..apology accepted and appreciated..I like you B9 and always will…as i do know you are sincere..and do not hurt people on purpose…
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    Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject:
    DentArthurDent wrote:
    quivara wrote:
    The original question of this thread was “is it OK to believe in God”? It was not a request if God exists or proofs thereof, or vice versa. Think what you all are doing to this simple (shouldn’t be a request) situation. If there is a hell, you are it with your banter! Be still! ……Just please be respectful and read more: William James, Zygon: The Journal of Religion & Science, “The Tao of Physics”, “The Holographic Universe”, C.G. Jung, Micrea Eliade – anything, even Socrates on virtue, but this! Relief for the universe is needed from the poorly typed, misspelled, ill-thought-out, inconsiderate drivel put out on this thread. Your “arguments” are going nowhere. Everyone might just as well go to their own corners, either for eternity or just the worm – as one chooses, or best deserves!.

    This is the very nature of forum discussions. I answered the OP’s original question, with what I regard as reasonable qualifying statements, as with nearly all forum discussion threads the content and debate has gone past the original question. For me the question “is it OK to believe in God is not a simple one. It has many variables and these should be discussed.

    Admittedly the thread has turned into “does god exist” so rather than insinuate that you are so more highly read than the rest of us, why don’t you try and turn it back to its original quest, surely someone with your advanced learning, concise grammar, neatly typed and well considered opinions should be capable of that.

    Aghogday wrote:

    IT IS impossible to discuss GOD without a clear and concise definition of God before the discussion starts..

    IT IS impossible to define GOD as there is no clear and concise definition of God…

    There for it is impossible to derive any ‘objective’ results per a discussion about God unless a clear and consie definition of GOD is set forth first…

    So as you can see now..or at least anyone practiced at debate should see..

    It is ridiculous to discuss GOD in an open forum when no definition is set first…

    That IS why this IS only Amusing to me….

    So WTF..Who is God..Bet you can not answer that one…

    If not there is no FTW..possible in this circular rhetorical argument that has as much substance as the can that houses the worms…

    Yeah! that’s the definition of God Worms…

    Get IT..

    NAH…I did not think you would…

    Simplicity at the smallest units is How god Works…

    GOD that IS not a manmade construct of an empty vessel/vehicle of a three letter word with no clear or concise definition anywhere…

    So I’ll go for worms for the practice of this discussion as @least it is a starting point…

    of something of whatever..if you will…

    Of ONE that IS GOD as I seyes IT….

    To deep !huh?heh!

    Should be that way as Man to GOD is only a tiniest speck of dust..or lint on the wagging tale of a dog…

    Yeah..that’s just a metaphor my friend….

    All of IT IS..just like the Bible..as iT was designed as such…and not to be taken literal..along the lines of black and white ‘fundamentalist’ thinking as the ESSENCE as IS is only changed when humans observe IT.. they never create the ALL that is ONE all encompassing energy of ONE..that part I may not prove..but I feel ALLl that IS that energy ALL and can manipulate iT2 simply by observing IT and Being as ONE WITH…

    IT as IS IT IS ALL THERe IS!
    NOWON as far as i SEyES!
    SEYES………………….Y
    i
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16. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Here is a copy of a little free form poetry i created to express appreciation for Mgsr Mike from my Catholic Church…

    It is the Church I was raised in..and in the past far removed from a fuller understanding of the full value of the sacred symbols of the church…It’s traditions..structure..and overall cohesive nature that keeps people together over the span of a lifetime…

    It is the most popular Christian Church in the world as one and whole keeping traditions same for the structure as whole…

    There is a natural ‘Autistic’ comfort in this to me…as it makes IT so much easier for me to feel connected to others there…a beautiful experience of life..light..and love..

    The people there are spread out from international origins..as this parish..is one of military retired backgrounds..that spread across the country and even the world..if you will…

    I suppose some people might think IT strange that i mix church and Lucifer together..but the Catholic Church IS no fundamentalist church as IT views the words in the bible as words to interpret per metaphor instead of literal translation if you will…

    And retains the wonder of the mysteries of GOD as light and love..to find the transcendent nature of the ONE AND ALL with HUman kind and ALL…as ONE

    IT’s a Kool Church..I don’t kare what anyone thinks..as love and light IS ALl that matters to me no matter what the source..the vehicle..the vessel.. whether it be word of any language..religion..or any other expression of structure to house the essence of WHATEVer IS NOW….FORONENOWFOREVERMORE….says the RaVen and Phoenix in UNIson if one WILlis with ONE aND ALI!iasmeandyhouandweandusasONEandaLLthat IS!i

    Additionally Mgsr. MIke IS one of my few friends who i could really call a friend in high school..he was a long term tennis partner..and we spent many hours rallying serves and tennis balls across the nets of such a simple life of ease and sunshine in those days..that seem to ‘come again’ for me nowoneforevermore..again as ONE..the miracle to me that is LIFE overALL…simply AS LIGHT and LOVE….

    And by the way that’s a really tall Bishop pictured here..with a commanding presence of softness still and love and light…a gentle nature of a giant of a man if you will…2

    My ‘Autistic nature’ never overall stops..me wondering talking to him if he is the ‘Guinesss World Record holder of TAllest Bishops’..or maybe the tallest ‘man of GOD’ in the world..hehe..haha..yeah..IT’s funny too..?HUH!HEH?YEah!

    Good evening Mgsr.Mike…

    Here are the pictures as promised…

    One with me..One with you and the Bishop..and one with you and the beautiful church…

    It is such a pleasure to arrive back at church after 23 years of isolation from the Church and find your wonderful words of light and love of Christ…

    But you haven’t changed as you always had that light and love to me…

    As IT IS the gift that the Bishop spoke of today@mass…

    And so wonderful that you dedicated your life to spread that light and love…

    I did IT too.. but my church ended up being a Bowling Center with hundreds of happy people a day…

    My task was easy..just to share light and love and not really get into the real problems of life…

    I AM sure that you present as the present of your presence a great deal of light and love to others across the years…

    @their greatest levels of need of comfort…

    And so wonderful..again…to see that spark of Christ Love and Light glowing and even growing in your eyes..as NOW

    and more than ever…

    So as always NOW i look forward to Church to hear your words and once again be enlightened by the logic…

    Of what IS the light and Love of the Catholic Church…

    What i find there that i find ‘@nother’ Church is a lack of HATE and PERSONAL JUDGEMENT expressed against others…

    I could not feel comfortable @anychurch if there was any hate of difference expressed against GOD’s ALL children..including people of different..

    Sexual Orientations and different religions…IT IS always a pleasure to hear about LIGHT and LOVE and the TRUE WORDS…of JESUS CHRIST!

    So with LOVE i look forward to hearing your words again this Sunday and I always pray now that your light and love will continue to grow….

    AND EVEN EXPLODE to share with others…

    Love your friend always…Fred…and Light to you MGSR REED….AKA Mike….

    Well..that was a little poetry in free form for you too…

    IT is part of my ‘new hobbies’…

    IF YOU will..2

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17. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 7, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    Relaxing MusicK shared in a link provided by Inner Aspie as below so above…

    http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/10/according-to-scientists-this-is-the-most-relaxing-tune-ever-recorded.html

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18. Madeleine Begun Kane says:

    October 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Fun photos, etc.!

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    • katiemiafrederick says:

      October 8, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      Thanks so much Madeleine..I’ve enjoyed making this post more than most..and actually am still working on it..and hoping to finally finish IT by the 8th…@2pm Central time…
      🙂

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19. brian miller says:

    October 8, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    if we did not love him, would we ever know real love? for are we not called to pray for our enemies…i think a lot can be said of how we treat those that are different than us…
    i echo the fun pics man…smiles.

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    • katiemiafrederick says:

      October 9, 2013 at 12:22 AM

      The most beautiful ways of life I have encountered are among the indigenous populations of the World’s religions…

      I can’t support any religion that excludes anyone and unfortunately with adherence to the old testaments this is definitely still the case among fundamentalist leaning Christians…

      I cannot imagine the man Jesus would have been very happy with exclusionary practices such as calling homosexuals demons and sinners for the Nature that ‘God’ gave most people with alternate sexual orientations…

      But of course if ‘HE’ ever came back as gay or schizophrenic..not many would believe in him anyway..so that’s where my opinions stands on fundamentalist old testament leaning religions…

      However, that said…there are some great Christian Churches too…IT just depends more I think on location, location. location…of the communities these Christian Churches are located next too..or in….

      Smiles to you too, my friend…

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20. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5680850.html#5680850

    knowbody15
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    Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject:
    adifferentname wrote:
    knowbody15 wrote:
    Religion has say in science when exploring the ethics of certain scientific methods of discovery.

    Nope. Religion has no authority over science.

    Religion has a say in science isn’t the same as religion has authority over science…..you gotta be clear….

    Quote:

    Unless, of course, we’re talking about science funded by religion. In such a case, it is rare that the ‘discoveries’ made by such ‘science’ gain any credibility upon review.

    Quote:
    Religion could guide someone to destroy archeological sites involving other religions, which we would all agree is unethical, or religion could prevent someone from experimenting on live humans, which would be an ethical response, and religion will play part in deciding things like whether we should clone humans to harvest organs.

    If you’re going to try and establish religion as a moral authority, you should probably steer away from the many, many examples where religion dropped the ball. Religion does not set moral values, it adopts and adapts to suit its target audience.

    If youre a scientist, my statement should cause you to further investigate what I’m trying to say given that you are right, it I was trying to establish religion as moral authority it would not be wise to use example of when religion dropped the ball….you would conclude that I was NOT saying that religion is moral authority, but simply that it can plays a part in science good or bad.

    Quote:
    Wouldn’t saying “religion has no say in science” be unscientific by nature? Given that for better or worse, religion does have a say in nscience?

    Only if we’re running everything through the semantic-pedantometer. Religion has no place in science except as a subject to scrutinise. Whether religion can or cannot hypothetically effect individual scientific studies is not the subject being discussed.

    focusing on truth is not being pedantic. And to say that this is not the subject being discussed should say “this is a subject I dont feel like discussing.” I actually think you guys would make better priests, and I’d make a better scientist lol I actually love science, physical science over biology, and if you consider psychology and anthropology science, love those….
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    Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject:
    MCalavera wrote:
    aghogday wrote:
    MCalavera wrote:
    How is that God?

    Aghogday wrote:
    God is not a word..
    God is energy…
    Light..
    Love…
    The words or vessels and vehicles….
    That attempt to capture and describe this ‘God’….
    But only those that LIVE this ‘god’ energy walking….
    AS THIS LIGHT!
    Are
    Those..
    The only ones..
    Who ‘kNOW’ GOD…
    ONENOWFOREVERMORE…
    SAYS THE RAVEN…
    BUT THE PHOENIX…
    LIVES LIGHT..LIFE..FOREVERMORENOW….
    ONE
    MCalavera Wrote:

    All you’re showing is that you’re artistic/poetic in thinking, but you haven’t really shown much evidence for an entity that is necessary to be labeled “God”. Like I said before, you might as well replace “God” with “Lucifer” in your “arguments”, and it would make no difference. Or Obama Barack or whatever.
    Aghogday Wrote:

    Well..THERE IS MUCH more to life than language my friend..or science..they are all approximations of the truth..so in others words there is much more to life than meets the words of science…

    Goddard communicated this as well as I could possibly communicate it in response to you…

    But here is the thing..unless you walk in light you are blind..and yeah that’s not anything personal.. IT IS..Just Metaphor Friend..IS IT!

    And yeah..ALL LANGUAGE is metaphor…

    AS ALL WE LIVEVIL IS WHAT ‘WE’ CRE@E..yeah..friend..yOURs…

    And you can ask any linguistic expert…and they WILL tELl you this is true…

    Darknesss IS FREE..but LIGHT IS a lot of Work…

    So stand by in dark..or move ahead in LIGHT..IT IS only your true will that you livevil..not mine..IS IT

    Lots of Love..seyes…

    ?LOL….!
    !NOWon..E..NO?

    ?POETRY IS god!
    !god IS POETRY?

    !ONENONENO?
    ?WONOWONOW!
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21. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    MCalavera
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    Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject:
    aghogday wrote:
    MCalavera wrote:
    aghogday wrote:
    MCalavera wrote:
    How is that God?
    Aghogday Wrote:

    God is not a word..
    God is energy…
    Light..
    Love…
    The words or vessels and vehicles….
    That attempt to capture and describe this ‘God’….
    But only those that LIVE this ‘god’ energy walking….
    AS THIS LIGHT!
    Are
    Those..
    The only ones..
    Who ‘kNOW’ GOD…
    ONENOWFOREVERMORE…
    SAYS THE RAVEN…
    BUT THE PHOENIX…
    LIVES LIGHT..LIFE..FOREVERMORENOW….
    ONE
    MCalavara Wrote:

    All you’re showing is that you’re artistic/poetic in thinking, but you haven’t really shown much evidence for an entity that is necessary to be labeled “God”. Like I said before, you might as well replace “God” with “Lucifer” in your “arguments”, and it would make no difference. Or Obama Barack or whatever.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Well..THERE IS MUCH more to life than language my friend..or science..they are all approximations of the truth..so in others words there is much more to life than meets the words of science…

    Goddard communicated this as well as I could possibly communicate it in response to you…

    But here is the thing..unless you walk in light you are blind..and yeah that’s not anything personal.. IT IS..Just Metaphor Friend..IS IT!

    And yeah..ALL LANGUAGE is metaphor…

    AS ALL WE LIVEVIL IS WHAT ‘WE’ CRE@E..yeah..friend..yOURs…

    And you can ask any linguistic expert…and they WILL tELl you this is true…

    Darknesss IS FREE..but LIGHT IS a lot of Work…

    So stand by in dark..or move ahead in LIGHT..IT IS only your true will that you livevil..not mine..IS IT

    Lots of Love..seyes…

    ?LOL….!
    !NOWon..E..NO?

    ?POETRY IS god!
    !god IS POETRY?

    !ONENONENO?
    ?WONOWONOW!

    MCalavara Wrote:

    I don’t get your posts lately. Are you even trying to make sense?
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    Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:46 pm Post subject:
    MCalavera wrote:
    I don’t get your posts lately. Are you even trying to make sense?
    A Different Name Wrote:

    I have come to the conclusion that aghog is either incapable of making sense or is too wrapped up in a sense of smug superiority to care that his posts are indecipherable. There could be a variety of causes, but I prefer to think that his intent is self-entertainment, which is harmless enough.

    Whatever the explanation, I choose to ignore every post he makes.
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    Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject:

    Whatever the explanation, I choose to ignore every post he makes.

    +1
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    Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:19 am Post subject:
    DentArthurDent wrote:
    adifferentname wrote:

    Whatever the explanation, I choose to ignore every post he makes.

    +1

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    Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:14 am Post subject:
    +4 I’m not feeling the ignored yet…he.he….

    HOwever I do agree that ignoring one is a preferable method of discourse in any debate where one’s ego feels threatened by another individual who is obviously fearlessness in one’s discourse…

    Personal related attacks are among the lowest levels of human discourse or debates per hierarchy of intellect..reason and love…

    That is only a display of weakness witnessed by one..who IS fearless in debate and/or everyday discourse…

    Enlightenment comes with value in all words that are communicated with intent of lighting a potential way…of LIGHT and LOVE..

    The FAITH is a gift..of grace..with no guarantee of existence for any human being..

    Unfortunately this is often a greater challenge among some people on the Autism Spectrum…

    And if this one can meet that challenge here..in discourse..the real world is a metaphorical piece of cake to spread LiGHT and Love…

    So you see this is an exercise for me…to spread greater levels of LOVE and light for those so more..

    Predisposed to receive IT…That is the LiGHT and LOVe that IS ignited by HOPE that does not exist…

    Without mystery…

    So enjoy the questions of LIFE..LIGHt and LoVE if you will..

    Or not as you will..

    As IS only your WILL…

    NoT mine…

    That said here is a great link for those in the listening audience…

    Shared with me by someone else in the listening audience not currently posted…

    I would be amiss not to share IT NOW…to pay IT back forward..If one Wills…

    Click to access Meditations-on-the-Tarot.pdf

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    God is not a word..
    God is energy…
    Light..
    Love…
    The words or vessels and vehicles….
    That attempt to capture and describe this ‘God’….
    But only those that LIVE this ‘god’ energy walking….
    AS THIS LIGHT!
    Are
    Those..
    The only ones..
    Who ‘kNOW’ GOD…
    ONENOWFOREVERMORE…
    SAYS THE RAVEN…
    BUT THE PHOENIX…
    LIVES LIGHT..LIFE..FOREVERMORENOW….
    ONE.

    MCalavara Wrote:

    All you’re showing is that you’re artistic/poetic in thinking, but you haven’t really shown much evidence for an entity that is necessary to be labeled “God”. Like I said before, you might as well replace “God” with “Lucifer” in your “arguments”, and it would make no difference. Or Obama Barack or whatever.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Well..THERE IS MUCH more to life than language my friend..or science..they are all approximations of the truth..so in others words there is much more to life than meets the words of science…

    Goddard communicated this as well as I could possibly communicate it in response to you…

    But here is the thing..unless you walk in light you are blind..and yeah that’s not anything personal.. IT IS..Just Metaphor Friend..IS IT!

    And yeah..ALL LANGUAGE is metaphor…

    AS ALL WE LIVEVIL IS WHAT ‘WE’ CRE@E..yeah..friend..yOURs…

    And you can ask any linguistic expert…and they WILL tELl you this is true…

    Darknesss IS FREE..but LIGHT IS a lot of Work…

    So stand by in dark..or move ahead in LIGHT..IT IS only your true will that you livevil..not mine..IS IT

    Lots of Love..seyes…

    ?LOL….!
    !NOWon..E..NO?

    ?POETRY IS god!
    !god IS POETRY?

    !ONENONENO?
    ?WONOWONOW!

    MCalavara Wrote:

    I don’t get your posts lately. Are you even trying to make sense?

    Aghogday Wrote:

    ‘Listen dude’..if you are autistic it is no wonder you are not understanding IT..

    That’s the whole point..don’t you see..

    No you cannot see that is my point…

    And yes I used to be ‘blind’ too and am no longer blind..

    So seyes..It’s just a little out of the box..

    OK?KO!

    There are some more helpful hints in the movie trailer above…

    IT’s ALL For Practice of that IS ALL…for ALl and ONENOW…

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5682553.html#5682553

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22. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Well sometimes IT’s time to stop beating around the bush..when you are trying to explain something too hard to believe…

    LIkely close to the last comment I will make in the IS IT Okay to believe in God…thread..on the WrongPlanet website linked below.

    Trust me IT’s a good idea to believe in GOD..if you want to have a Good life..but I’ll love you the same if you don’t whoever you are as all I am is love…and light..I’m not even human anymore…if you will…(in other words that’s a metaphor)

    Well to be perfectly clear here now..

    Here IS the thing.. GOD exists…

    God is a power greater than any science suggested to exist…

    This is what GOD can do..and yes IT IS all documented medically..in photos..and even moving pictures…

    There is this man who developed the worst pain known to mankind…a form of atypical trigeminal Neuralgia..

    Most people get this pain maybe two or three times a week..but this man got it all the time he was awake for 60 full months…

    But no there was a little more to the problem than that…

    This man also developed an Auto immune system problem..a rare one at that..named Sgrogren Syndrome…

    What this means is one’s eyes can completely stop making tears at a zero on the tear measuring device at the eye doctor office…

    So this man was at a zero…

    Oh yeah…and that pain i mentioned before is like what IT feels like to have one’s teeth drilled without novocaine…

    There is also this condition known as total human exhaustion…

    Sometimes if there is enough stress..for two years…a human can become so exhausted the mind breaks down..from stress induced brain damage…

    So IT takes years just to heal that…

    When the adrenal glands stay on the overdrive condition…for too long..especially 2 years..they will not go off without medical intervention…

    This man thought he was too strong for medication so he existed without sleep but soon found he could not sleep at all..

    So for 35 days even with an alpha blocker this man only slept 1 hour each night..and slept no hours for the last 5 days..of 40…

    So right before a likely life ending seizure this man was hospitalized and tranquilized into oblivion with Ativan..and continued that medication for

    over 60 months to..with smaller ability to remember what happened yesterday…

    Well that’s not all the challenges this man met..

    He also is diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Dyautonomia, Vaso Vagal Presyncope, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Severe Arthritis, Congenitally fused T6 vertebrae in the neck, one shoulder smaller than the other (related to Klippel Feil Syndrome), Stenosis of the neural canals in the neck,
    Severe Anxiety, Depression, and oh yeah..an Autism Spectrum Disorder..which is no challenge AT all compared to the rest…

    The attending physician said there was no hope for recovery…

    This man is a shut in for 5 years..cannot use his ears or his sight..as this nerve pain is completely permanently disabling…

    But wait..this man got proof of God.. and the proof is in the recovery…

    So this man..who could not raise his arms without almost passing out..a little over 5 years ago at 48..

    Can now easily Curl 200Lbs on a Nautilus machine..not even feeling the effects of Gravity..

    And there is proof of that..and he’ll even show you on an iphone video if you like…

    He doesn’t even need sleep now but still looks younger than he did at 40 now at 53…

    An hour or two is enough…

    AS this man walks in love and light now and feels no personal judgement or hate against others..and only lives in this positive light of Love that is God..That IS a force powerful enough
    to move the metaphorical mountains of humanity..as this person’s voice now in real life is described as lightening…

    So what i do is type a little to inspire others to one day find this light..and to live in heaven now..as IT IS real and available for those courageous enough to persevere through any challenge in this life FOR THE WIN…

    If you will..

    Yes that man is me…

    And if you met me in person…

    You would Know I speak the truth…

    Period…

    If you didn’t pee on yourself first..to use another metaphor…

    Yeah…I am confident because I have seen the face of GOD…

    If you live long enough you will likely see the other face of God too..

    Trust me..that IS well beyond any fear you can imagine…

    No one has been there…

    But me…

    As far…

    AS

    I knownow…

    There is no reward in this for me but the small chance that something I might say would spark the flame of true life in someone else…

    This light and love of God that is the potential of each man or woman’s true will…

    I can not lead anyone to this living love of life and light…I can only share my life experience and the symbolic nature of GOD that IS…

    Yeah I AM financially independent..

    That’s what happens when you find the TRUE WILL of God in this life…

    Then GOD provides everything…

    As long as you work with GOD…

    So HE is my employer…

    Now…

    To use…

    a
    nother..

    little
    metaphor….

    So good luck to you is all..my friends..

    You’ll need IT…

    Trust me…

    on

    that one…

    Life presents many challenges not yet met…

    I assure you of that…

    And no..this may not be your only lifetime either…

    But i have no proof of that…

    So just say IT is a little speculation…

    ON that ONe..if one wills…
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23. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    The little saying about you cannot judge a book by It’s cover certainly applies to Miley Cyrus..Her supported message IS clear IT is the Message of Jesus that has been lost throughout the centuries…

    IT is one for everyone not just this person or that person…or someone who says a few ‘magic words out of a book…

    God is no prison of word, book, or belief….

    So IT is free that the expression of What Miley Cyrus and other mainly young people and their other artistic colleagues who are bringing in this NEW World Order that is appearing before our eyes…

    IT is love and light without personal judgement…

    And well..

    She is a role..

    model…

    as

    far
    as
    that goes…

    So in celebration of that here are all three video versions..so far that I am aware in this great creative effort with her and her supporting colleagues..for just this one song she sings…named We can’t stop…

    It is the passion of life that goes on..and refuses to reverse…the LIGHT and Love that IS the potential true will of each man and woman….

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24. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    10102013
    8
    Yeah.. this is a good day…

    It is only 8 and one…

    For infinity noWoneforevermore…

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25. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    More Wrong Planet ‘fun’….

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5683213.html#5683213

    DentArthurDent wrote:
    Evidence please, and even then if what you are describing about yourself is true, does not prove the existence of god, it simply and clearly demonstrates that we have a long way to go with medical science. It also demonstrates the willingness of humans to ascribe supernatural causes to events we have not yet discovered the natural, rational cause.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    The evidence is all linked below in the signature line.. There are 7 million words approaching and over 8 thousand photos and many videos.. so get to work if you please to see the evidence as I carry IT with me always…

    And no God is not supernatural..

    That is an oxymoron of a statement @least as far as I AM concerned…

    The power and will of God is in my eyes..and no I don’t even need to see…to make this power happen..as I am an instrument of God..not a tool…

    If you do not experience GOD there IS NO GOD..

    So only your loss not mine..

    If you choose not to pursue GOD…

    And if you are Autistic chances are that challenge will be greater than IT IS for most…

    As this energy requires full use of both hemispheres of the brain..for the best chance of living IT…

    Word thinking and Visual thinking are prerequisite for a better Chance…

    At living this true will love and light…

    I’m thinking the chances aren’t too good for you my friend…

    But I suppose the same was said about me many many times..before…

    As I graduated 11 out of 380 in high school and went on to gain 3 degrees at once…

    And was described as a Computer instead of a human being most of my life…

    NO longer is this the case…

    As finally I AM truly alive in light..love and true will…

    For me..only..as everything may be completely different for you…

    As modern science does present a well rounded case that each human experiences their own Universe in..

    A unique and non-identical way…
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26. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5683312.html#5683312

    Goddard wrote:
    To make sense is necessary to have one finality. Simply don’t have sense to say, isn’t exist God, nothing have finality, all are a great coincidences or I’m here talking salad words with you for any reason. It is irrational. God is the all, my opinion again, many things that we can’t to see but could to feel like the wind. When you feel you can see God, you see God with your sensibility and not by your vision. When you be happy to see a beautiful place or simply be happy you feel God, God is the existence. All to exist is an God and all human peoples around the world understand it since centuries before.
    Science and the ideia of the All aren’t incompatible.

    Aghogday Wrote:
    Yes..I completely agree..and your words are greater in salad than any words here…as they are speaking your true will..it seems obvious to me…
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27. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Well..considering the Democrat Party is the party of light as opposed to the darker Republican Party if one wills..this comment on another thread on the Wrong Planet website seems @least a little related if one wills..to this overall thought discussion on light love and true will..if one wills…

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5683351.html#5683351

    The US Government Shut-Down – Whom to Blame Previous 1, 2, 3 … 16, 17, 18

    Wrong Planet Autism Forum Index -> Politics, Philosophy, and Religion
    aghogday
    KATiE MiA FredericK!iI

    Joined: Nov 26, 2010
    Age: 53
    Posts: 5232

    Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject:
    It is a win win solution for individual Republican representatives to side with the ‘blind sheep’ of the supported republican party..to get re-elected individually..But this whole idea of government shut down to stop health care for the whole is only assurance for a continued domination of this nation by Democrat led Presidents…

    And while many of these house representatives are safe in their rural leaning states…

    It is not the same for larger responsible demographic who elect the more limited Senate seats…

    So…this only delay..on the eventuality that the Affordable Health Act will stand..and yes many of these house representatives who are Republican will retain their seat..

    But in the long run…It is only health for the democratic party as a whole in this country…

    As It almost assures continued Senate Majority, Executive, and potentially even Judiciary Branches of government to Democratic leaning servants of this nation…

    So not only is the Affordable Health care act a winner for the American People as whole..It is also a strategic masterpiece to watch the dominoes fall in the direction of the Democrat Party in this nation…

    There is no turning back now..and there are no lies or tricks like we saw with IRAQ to lead the more ‘thinking mind’ sheep away from Truth..as the information revolution IS continuing to expose any and all government lies…

    So in metaphor get ready for Obama Clones for al ong time..and so long Republican Party Presidential Winners…

    The REagan days..appear to be gone forever now…thanks to George W. Bush and the failings of that administration more than any other republican mistake….

    As the people of this nation have grown a few more brains…
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28. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 10, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Shared by the same source that gave me the information on the reading of the tarot..which I remembered as very interesting..too..

    Shared in full here..as not likely many would take time to go to the link…

    Rudolf Steiner – Apocalyptic Writings
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    Rudolf Steiner – (On) Apocalyptic Writings
    Lecture — I
    Berlin, 10 October 1904In the last lecture, I spoke of thestages of man’s development at which he becomes capable ofspeaking of an “apocalypse” andmoreover, of proclaiming onehimself. I said that the gaze ofthe seer must range over such vast epochs that he surveys thetime before man began to passthrough incarnations as anindividual, as well as the epochs which preceded these journeysthrough births and deaths. Ialso said that before this visionis possible, the Chela (disciple)must have attained the thirddegree of Chelaship. This alsoapplies to the Apocalypse of St. John. The vision of one who surveys the world in this way does notdiffer from that of other Initiates. You must realise at the outsetthat such visions or higher experiences (or whatever they may becalled) do not differ from each other. Strange as it may seem toone who is not an initiate, if for example, reference is made to thefour Beasts, the account given by one Initiate will not differ fromthat given by another. Two Initiates will not give different accountsof the same thing. In order to give you a picture, I shall speak of what any Initiate of this degree experiences in regard to theevolutionary path of mankind. The Initiate who communicated what is contained in the Apocalypse, surveyed the epoch which preceded that of our presentRoot Race, surveyed the two human races preceding our own,surveyed the time when man first assumed his present form in themiddle of the Lemurian Race, surveyed too the life that stretches

    beyond birth and death. Before that point of time in the middle ofthe Lemurian epoch, the constitution of man was quite differentfrom that of the human being who stands before us today. I willstart from a quite definite point. Man of the present day consists,as you know, of seven bodies: the physical body, the etheric body,the astral body, and four others. We are concerned here with thethree lower bodies only. There is the physical body which isperceived with the ordinary senses, and then the etheric body which is not perceived by these senses. The etheric body can beperceived by those who have acquired the requisite faculty, by suggesting away the physical body of the human being concerned. They then see in space a “double” of the man. The color of this “double” is more or less that of peach blossom. Embedded as it were in this “double” is the astral body, a shining oval. When ahuman being dies today, the higher bodies, including the ethericbody, rise out of the physical body. During the period immediately following death, the astral body is still united with the etheric body. After a few days the astral body leaves the etheric body and beginsto traverse the path it must take between death and a new birth. The position of the etheric body today is only that of a mediator between the activity of the astral body and the physical body. Inman’s present earthly existence, it is the physical body that is of thegreatest significance for him. The physical brain is the instrumentfor man’s highest spiritual activity. The etheric body is themediator, the connecting link between the activity of the higher bodies and the physical body. There was no dissolving of thisconnecting link in the first two Races nor in the early part of thethird Race.In the so-called Polarian Race (the first Root Race) the etheric body was the most important, Man’s whole body at that time consistedof fine etheric substance. Only later did the etheric body densify by permeating itself with physical matter. At the end of the first RootRace, man was not fettered to the ground as he is today. Hehovered through the etheric earth, and his organs too, were etheric.He was an etheric being. By the time of Lemuria, through gradualdensification, he took on physical corporeality. But even in themiddle of the Lemurian epoch, he was not as dense a being as heis today. At the beginning of the third Root Race (Lemurian),matter was just a little denser than that of cloud-formations over mountains today. It was into these “fire-clouds” that menincarnated at that time. Hence the Beings who came as the highest

    Intelligences from other realms to the earth to be teachers of men,are called “Sons of the Fire-Mist.” When the geologist takes us back to a certain age in the earth’shistory when physical remains of human beings are no longer to befound, all physical traces are lost. This is because at a certain periodman consisted of such fine, rarefied matter that no physical tracesexist in the earth’s earlier strata.In order to have an expression in our language for the transitionfrom the fine, etheric matter to physical matter, of those beings who developed to physical density, the esotericist speaks of theEagle stage of man. Physical man in that epoch is called the Eagle.In the language of esotericism, the Eagle is the man of theLemurian Race who works his way from etheric matter into dense,solid matter. The Lemurian Race is followed by the Atlantean Race. In this Atlantean Race, man was, at first, endowed with a somewhatdenser etheric body. At that time he was still able to control theliving seed-forces of the plants. By means of the Prana (life-force)of plants he propelled the airships in Atlantis described by Scott-Elliott. This shows us that in that epoch man had greater power over his etheric body (etheric “double”) than he has today. Later on,man will achieve mastery over the still higher bodies. This process which is an actual and real process, is described by the Apocalyptistin detail. The second stage, where man still had mastery over hisetheric body is designated by the esoteric expression: the stage ofthe Lion Man. The Lion Man is a technical expression for the Atlantean. Then comes the man of the Fifth Root Race, the AryanRace, who is designated by the word “Bull” because it isparamountly the physical forces that come to expression. These three designations: Eagle, Lion, Bull, apply to definite andsuccessive stages of the evolution of Humanity. One who isinitiated in certain Mystery Schools learns to understand a certainlanguage and script, in which those who have knowledge of the all-embracing truths express their experiences. It is a language whichall Initiates on the earth write and speak, a symbolic language, asymbolic form of speech. Everyone who has learned it, understandsit, and when he finds a particular sign in ancient records knowsthat it has a definite meaning. In the course of some of theselectures, I shall speak of some of these signs, of the mostelementary of them. A sign frequently used to designate thesestages of human evolution is that of two interlacing triangles which

    together form a six-sided figure. Below lies a triangle whichsymbolises the previous conditions. The three angles are not filled;they signify the three original conditions of man. In the middle isthe real man. This enduring entity which passes through theincarnations remains through all the stages. That is what isdesignated as Man. So, here you have the four modes of beingthrough which man becomes man in the course of his evolution. They are indicated in the two interlacing triangles. If you study thissign you will understand why these four Beasts are mentioned whenever an Apocalyptist is speaking about these stages ofevolution. They also appear in the Book of the Prophet Ezekiel. Inthe Apocalypse of St. John they are described in a very special way. An Apocalyptist pierces the veils which separate man from theregions in which he can behold those earlier stages of evolution.Other organs must develop in man before he can really see whathas formerly happened on the earth. The stages of evolutionthrough which man has passed and which have become invisible tohim, of which he is no longer conscious, must again become livingreality to him. Thus in an Apocalyptist the etheric body must havebeen kindled to life, he must begin actually to see; his whole beingmust become an “eye.” Therefore the Apocalyptist must be able notonly to transfer himself back into the stages of Eagle, of Lion, ofBull, but he must do so as a Seer. And at the third stage ofInitiation the Chela actually acquires this power of vision. What I have here described is to be found in the fourth chapter ofthe Apocalypse of St. John. The Apocalypse describes not only thepast stages of human evolution but the future stages as well. Tounderstand these future stages a man must be able, as a seer, touse the forces of the etheric body and. of the higher bodies which,in the course of evolution, have fallen into disuse. The man of theFifth Root Race can only move freely, can only be conscious ofhimself, in the physical body. But he develops in such a way thatlater on he can become conscious in the higher bodies. In thepresent sub-race of the Fifth Root Race we have achieved a very deep development, namely that of the physical intellect. Our present sub-race (the fifth) will be followed by the sixth sub-raceand that again by the seventh. That will bring our Fifth Root Race toan end. It will be followed by another, higher Root Race, and thatagain by another. This evolution therefore consists in the fact thatman learns more and more to use his higher bodies. We aremoving towards a very definite goal, for we are on the way from

    the fifth to the Sixth Root Race. Man now uses his physical intellectfor everything; he adopts a definite moral teaching, and a religion. This governs him because the physical intellect holds sway. Theindividual has inevitably to seek his well-being, his happiness, atthe expense of others. An individual who strives for higher development endeavors to transcend, to rise above the conditionsof everyday life.In occult schools, three words are used to characterise the New Age, the age of the new, later human race. In the domain ofcommunal life, the word is “brotherhood,” brotherly love. That is why the Theosophical Society has taken Universal Brotherhood asthe main principle in its declared objects, because it is the aim ofthe Theosophical Society to make preparations for life in the SixthRace. Man will then feel happy only when happiness is notacquired, at the expense of others. That is true morality.Our science is materialistic. This will be different in the next sub-race. We are striving for a different form of science, namely for “pneumatology.” Teaching concerning the spirit, the spiritual, willbe dominant in the new race. And in the sphere of religion the ruling principle will be somethingthat is not yet possible today, because the intellect lies in the way.Man will himself perceive the existence of a Divine World-Spirit. That is the free religious principle of the next race. Brotherly Love,Pneumatology, Self-Authority in religious matters, these threeprinciples will characterise the future race which is slowly beingprepared within our own life. A Seventh Race will take on quitedifferent forms of life, of which we will speak on another occasion.Christianity was born in the fourth sub-race. This sub-race waspreceded by the third. In certain time-cycles, what has already transpired, is recapitulated. The first three sub-races recapitulate,briefly, the stages of Eagle, Lion, and Bull. These were preparatory races, whereas the real task of the race emerged in the fourth sub-race, which is designated by the expression Man, or God becomesMan. Christianity arose in the fourth sub-race. The fifth sub-race,our present one, began about the middle of the Middle Ages. It is what we call, speaking in the widest sense, the Germanic sub-race.It separated out from the so-called Latin Race. This term was takento include everything into which the stream of Christianity flowedand which developed gradually in the spiritual life of Europe. Thisfourth sub-race was preceded by the three other sub-races in which the earlier were briefly recapitulated.

    In the Apocalypse, these seven conditions or stages are designatedby the seven “Churches” or Communities. The Communities are therepresentatives of the seven sub-races. The words spoken to theCommunities of Ephesus, Smyrna and so on, are directed to thedifferent sub-races. Members of the various races are still living inthe world; members of the first sub-race of the Fifth Root Race stillsurvive. The Indian people belong, fundamentally, to this sub-race. The original Indian peoples brought the culture of Thought toexpression in the very highest sense. The highest sublimation of Thought came to expression in ancient India. This first sub-racerecapitulated, briefly, the development of Lemurian man, who wasa man of “feeling.” The members of our present race (Aryan) aremen of “thinking.”Memory developed for the first time in Atlantis. The Lemurian hadno memory. In the first sub-race (Indian), man did indeed think,but his thinking was a kind of feeling, and what he thought comesto expression in the old Vedic civilisation. You read Vedic literaturearight if, as you read, you get the impression that thought isbasking in a wonder-world of feeling. In civilisations wherememory comes more to the help of the thoughts, where outer customs then retain this memory-culture in the worship of ancientheroes, where the memory of a great inventor, or discoverer, or kingis established as a principle of the moral life, where long lists ofnames and data are compiled; in these civilisations there arose therudiments of the Calendar. Much was noted down in the early races by the ancient Indians and the Persian Magi. And from thesememoranda arose the first beginnings of the Calendar. The men of today have developed from these early sub-races. Manhas progressed to the fifth sub-race because he has realised thatthe Divine is within himself, because he has understood the Apocalyptic progression.But the first sub-race, which becomes articulate in the Vedas, couldalso most easily succumb to error. Feeling was not yet strongenough to enable Thought to become inward in the real sense. Andso in Indian Culture, two aspects are apparent. On the one side wehave the sublime ideas of spiritual Divinities contained in ancient Vedic Culture, that wondrous religion, of which those who do notreally know it, can form no conception; neither can they form any conception of the profundities of the Vedanta. All this is spiritualteaching of a parity and clarity of which it is said in Europe, andrightly said, that every time one plunges into these depths, having

    schooled oneself to remain still and tranquil in soul, they are ever and again a source of new wonderment. The wonderment that may be aroused by our modern life fades into nothingness in the face of what ancient Indian Culture has to offer. But on the other side, theIndian peoples lapsed into idolatry in its very crudest form. What isusually to be found in books on ancient Indian Culture is a jumbleof ideas of gods and religious conceptions, and gives no truepicture. Sharp distinction must be made between the idolatry prevailing among the people and the sublime, majestic spirit-worldof the Brahmans. The great light-sides of the life of humanity always have their shadow-sides. Then in whose nation or racethere have been individuals of high spiritual development haveoften themselves persisted in clinging to externalities.In the Letter to the Community of Ephesus, the Apocalypse tries togive a picture of these phenomena. On the one side there are those who have kept their “first love,” and on the other, those who haveabandoned the works of their “first love” and have fallen to a lower level. The Nicolaitanes are referred to as those who regard externalthings as man’s one and only goal. Monumental words must beaddressed to those who live in such a Community.I wished only to show how events of world importance are touchedupon in this passage of the Letter to the Community of Ephesus which stands as the representative of these conditions. Quotationfrom
    Rev. 2:1-7
    : Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write: These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his righthand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Iknow thy works, and thy labors, and thy patience, and how thoucanst not bear them which are evil, and thou hast tried them whichsay they are apostles and are not, and hast found them liars; Andhast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hastlabored, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhatagainst thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent. But this thou hast,that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto thechurches, to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God

    Lecture — II
    Berlin, 17 October 1904 Today we will continue our study of the Apocalypse. Anyone whodesires to understand the whole meaning and spirit of a work likethe Apocalypse must, above all, have a clear idea of how thereligions work, and of how Christianity too worked at thebeginning, that is to say, what forces made it possible for Christianity, like the other religious systems, to pour the life of theSpirit in might and glory over mankind. The belief is all too widespread today that plain, simple words,comprehensible to everybody, must contain the truth, and there is acertain disinclination to raise the spirit to the heights of thought, tothe heights of supersensible vision. People are averse to this. Weoften hear it said, even by theologians, that whatever cannot beclothed in the simplest words which everyone can understand, canbe of little service to truth. Anyone who holds this view will beincapable of understanding the meaning and spirit of a work likethe Apocalypse or the mystical Gospel of St. John. There is nothingto be said against the justness of the saying that truth must bemade known in simple words, for one who would proclaim truthmust find ways to speak to the simplest hearts, they must find words in which to speak to those who stand at the heights ofscience, culture and education, as well as to those who go by thename of the “simple” folk. But the power, the inner force cannotfind expression in homely, simple words. This power issues fromthe supreme heights of spiritual life.Christianity, too, in the early centuries, had Mystery Centers, placesof Initiation, where not only simple words, universally comprehensible teachings were given, but the revelations ofspiritual vision at its highest level were made known. In the Gospelof St. John this spiritual vision extends to the realms where spaceand time no longer mean anything. Those who did not participatein the Mysteries were not all of them capable of speaking of theserevelations of the highest realms of the spiritual world. Thereforethe Church Father or Teacher of the first Christian centuries foundpopular, simple words through which to find access to the hearts ofthe unlearned folk. He himself had within him the power, the forcebelonging to the proclamation from the heights of spiritual life. There is some indication of this in the Apocalypse itself. You only

    need to read with understanding the most significant passages inthe Apocalypse and you will find that what is drawn down from theheights of spirit has been gathered into a great, all-embracingpicture of the world. Quotation from
    Rev. 1:9
    : “I John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom andpatience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in theSpirit on the Lord’s Day …” He says that he was on the island ofPatmos, meaning a place of initiation, and received this revelation. And he had received it “in the spirit.” In other places he speaks alittle differently. At the beginning of the fourth chapter, he says, “After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in heaven, andthe first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, “Come up hither and I will show thee things which must be hereafter …” The first three chapters contain the gist of what I tried to convey briefly in the last lecture. But then comes a description of thedestiny of the Root Race which will follow our own. That is why the Apocalypse makes a clear distinction between the two kinds of vision, Inspiration and Intuition. A lower form of Intuition suffices when it is a matter of making known the destiny of a former RootRace, but a higher form of Intuition is necessary in order to see what will come to pass after our own Root Race, for example,during the sixth and seventh Root Races. This lies beyond the rangeof the vision upon which the first three chapters are based and canonly be revealed to the seer when he ascends to Devachan. Thedestiny of a Root Race never unrolls before us in the region of astral vision, however highly developed. Therefore the Apocalyptist saysthat he heard the voice “in the spirit.” Up to the end of the thirdchapter of the Apocalypse, we have to do with higher astral vision;from the fourth chapter onwards, with Devachanic vision. The Initiates of all epochs speak as St. John, the writer of the Apocalypse speaks. But the Apocalypse of St. John differs in onerespect from other profound writings of Initiates. The standpoint isdifferent. The theologian, John, speaks in the Apocalypse as aChristian, from the Christian standpoint. Therefore anyone whodesires to read the Apocalypse with true insight, with right feeling,must steep himself not merely in the theological but in the humanattitude and feeling of a deeply initiated Christian who has himselfexperienced the full power of the Christian revelation. A significant saying is to be found in the first Epistle of St. John.

    Quotation from
    I John 5:7,8
    : “For there are three that bear record inheaven, the Father, the word and the Holy Ghost … And there arethree that bear witness in earth, the spirit, the water and the blood…” The three principles that “bear record in heaven” are known to thetheosophist as Atma, Buddhi and Manas. The Christian calls thethree principles which underlie the world: Father, Word and Holy Spirit. A Christian of the first centuries would have refrained fromspeaking of the Father. “No one cometh to the Father save throughMe.” These words were uttered by the great Christian Master Himself, by Him through Whom Christianity itself came into the world. I am now speaking entirely in the sense in which aninitiated Christian of the first period of Christianity would havespoken. He believed in the Father and he believed that he couldcome to know the Father only through the Word. And what was the Word? It is only possible to convey to the non-initiate a feeble idea of what an initiated Christian of the firstcenturies called the “Word” and even then, it can be done only by means of a comparison. The highest to which man can raisehimself, is the Thought. Man raises himself through Thoughts tolife in Devachan. He lives in Devachan. Only, he is not conscious ofit. The characteristic of earthly man is that he lives simultaneously in three worlds: the physical world, the astral world, and theDevachanic world. But he is conscious of himself only in thephysical world. The highest manifestation which can exist in the world was for all religions, and also for Christianity in its earliestform, the world-creative Will. And when the Christian says anythingat all about the Father, It is always in the sense that the Father isthe world-creative, universal Will. When man desires to bring thehighest that is in him, the Devachanic, the Thought, to expressionthrough the Will, that is, through the world-creative principle, thenthis is done, in the first place, through Speech. The Word is, in man,the announcer of the Spirit through the Will. And so the early Christian said: everything that constitutes our world isapprehended in the highest sense through the Word, but nowthrough the Word that has come into being through the Highest, world-creative Will, just as man brings the highest that is in him toexpression in the words, through the power of will. And so theChristian said, “The Father brought His Spirit, the Holy Spirit, toexpression through the power of the WORD.” Hence it is written in

    the Gospel, “All things were made by the Word, and without the Word was not anything made that was made.” The Third Person is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the same for the Cosmic All as the spirit of the individual man is for man. TheSpirit descends in the Cosmic Word. If the Christian wanted topicture this to himself, he said, “Just as when a man speaks, his words sound forth into the air setting the air into wave-movement,and his thought lives further in the waves of the air, just as the word is the embodiment of the human spirit, so is the world theembodiment of the Divine Word.” Everything was made throughthe Word and without the Word nothing was made that was made. Therewith it is affirmed that the essential, basic principle is thehighest that man can see embodied in the world. This is the Word,and this Word is designated as the Second Divine Person, or as theSon of God, as the Highest Being, not as an abstract image of the World-soul conceived in a pantheistic sense, but as a Being far more personal and individual than the human personality, thehuman individuality. It must be firmly held in mind that “the Word”is an expression for the Highest Being, through Whom the entireuniverse works, just as man can see with eyes, hear with ears,apprehend with the intellect. That Being, for the early Christians,became Man, in Him Whom they recognised as the Proclaimer ofthe Gospel. Thus for the early Christians, the Event in Palestine was of cosmicsignificance. He Who walked in Palestine was, for the firstChristians, not a man as other men. For them He was the Wordmade Flesh, the One Who in the great Universe can be seen witheyes, heard with ears, grasped with the understanding, and thisinfinite Being had come in the form of a man. Whoever does notapprehend this, whoever tries to twist the meaning of the Godmade Flesh, this Word which is the God become Flesh, whoever does not hold the view that here was the Incarnation of God in Jesus, cannot really understand the mind and thought of the firstChristians. He was in very truth a unique Personality. The Gospelexpresses this, too, in a glorious, most powerful way. For those whocan read aright, the Gospel clearly indicates the fact that theChristian Initiate ascended to Devachanic vision. In order fully tounderstand Christianity, however, I beg you to consider thefollowing.In the narrative of the life of Jesus and of the life of Buddha thereis great similarity. This similarity in the Annunciation, in the years

    of teaching, and so forth, has often been stressed. The mysticunderstands the reason for this similarity because he knows thatsuch a life repeats itself in certain epochs of human evolution. Butin the Christ life there is something else something essentially different from the Buddha-life, and the first Christian Initiatesunderstood this. If you follow the life of Jesus, you come to theevent described as the Transfiguration. Jesus went with Hisdisciples Peter, John and James to the mountain and wastransfigured; He was illumined from within, and Moses and Eliasappeared on either side of Him. The disciples then receivedsignificant revelations. This is an indication of a moment ofsupreme importance. Moses and Elias appear on either side ofChrist Jesus. Time is transcended, the Past has become Present. Soit is in Devachan. In the physical world we have space and time. Inthe astral world we have only time. In the Devachanic world,however, there is no time, no space. Moses and Elias, long sincepassed away, are immediately present. This means, therefore, thatat the Transfiguration the three disciples, Peter, James and John were transported into the state of Devachanic vision. Following the Transfiguration we first come to what is significant. It is the actualsacrificial death, the suffering, the dying, which do not occur in thelife of Buddha. Buddha went out with his disciple Ananda andbecame Illumined. When the scene is described in the life ofBuddha it is given a different form, adapted to the understandingof the people. The Transfiguration, however, comes at the end ofBuddha’s life, whereas the really significant epoch in the life of Jesus begins with this event. Therewith is indicated Christ’steaching concerning all the old religious systems of the previoussub-races of the Fifth Root Race. Christ wished to say, “Weunderstand the prophecies, the previous proclamations in the oldreligious systems of what the Gospel now proclaims, we recognisethat in the ancient Mysteries the word of truth was taught andrevealed.” But one thing has become reality through Christianity. And that is expressed by the words: Blessed are they who do notsee and yet believe. This epitomizes the great, world-historicsignificance of Christianity in its Gospel. What was formerly attained through Initiation by a few chosen ones in the seclusion ofthe Mystery-Temples, attained through vision of the great cosmictruths within the hidden crypts of the Mystery-Centers, could nowbe attained by those who had not actual vision but who were ableto believe with inner freedom of soul. Therefore, what formerly took

    place in concealment, in the seclusion of the Mysteries, thesupreme Mystery wherein man himself goes through the gate ofdeath in order to rise again in a higher life, this deepest of allMystery-secrets which a non-initiate cannot understand in its truesignificance, this was enacted on the great stage of outer world-existence. What came to pass in Palestine, came to pass as actual,historic fact, following in every detail the sacred acts which hadformerly taken place in Mystery-rites. The rites of sacrifice and thesacrificial death were constantly repeated, in the Mysteries. But theold Mystery-teachings had to be presented to the world, in a morepopular form. Therewith a further step was achieved throughChristianity, a step forward, in the understanding of an early Christian Initiate, a step which leads man beyond the stage to which the old religions could have led him. Who were the old religious Teachers? They were Teachers ofmankind. What they taught, that was the important thing. It wasthe actual teachings of Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius, Hermes,Pythagoras, Lao-tze, it was the words themselves that were allimportant. These Teachers stood as it were on high mountain andfrom there proclaimed the Most Holy Word. But something else waspossible. The WORD Itself descended and took on human form.Henceforward it was not a question of what was proclaimed, but what was lived, lived in the very deepest sense. The goal wasfulfilled. In ancient times the path for our Fifth Root Race wasoutlined. The teachings and commandments, the truths given by the old founders of religions, Lao-tze, Confucius, Moses, Buddha, were given for this purpose. But the WORD Itself came down infleshly form and lived among us. The Threefold utterance becamereality: I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. The Christian Initiateindicated what I have said in words of great profundity. All theFounders of ancient religions were regarded as embodied Angels,messengers of the Godhead. “Angel” means the Messenger of theGodhead. But now there came One before Whom the Angels veiledtheir countenances in veneration and laid themselves at the feet ofthe Mystical Lamb, at the feet of the God made Flesh. The Mystery is that the Lamb Who became flesh denoted a deeper descent intohumanity, a life among men. The earlier Teachers had proclaimedthe Word from the mountain top. But Christ came down into the valley, lived as Man among men. He did not command what is to bedone; He did not merely proclaim truths but in his very life Hemade manifest the Word. For the Christians, this was what

    distinguished his religion from the other religions. This was whatbrought him to the core and center of what the Christian Initiateproclaims as the Apocalypse, or the secret revelation. We will speaknext time of why the Word made Flesh was also called the Lamb.It will have become clear to us that the Lamb must be regarded asthe central figure in the Apocalypse, and that only through theLamb can the future of Humanity be made known. In the 4thchapter of the Apocalypse, where the man is led out, where theheaven opens, the truths of the higher world are announced tohim. It is the Mystical Lamb Who opens the Seals of the World. Hereis encountered the now transfigured Flesh. Hence the question: What is revealed to a man who has passed beyond the heights ofChristian astral vision? The Mystical Lamb is revealed to him. TheDevachanic world lies open before him and then he is able tounveil the innermost secret which must be revealed when the timeis fulfilled, i. e., when the 7th sub-race of our Fifth Root Race iscompleted and a new race of mankind, together with a new stageof evolution is at hand. Thus we have in the Apocalypse a description of the Destiny of the5th sub-race and of the beginnings of a new configuration of the world, characterised by the words: Pneumatology, Communal lifebased on love, Morality. This world is announced in the secret that is revealed through theopening of the seven seals, revealed through Him Who made thefulfilment of this secret possible, in that He came among men. AndHe will fulfil it when the time is ripe, when our Root Race hasbecome ready to pass over into that world and to attain the stageof evolution designated by these three words: Pneumatology,Communal life based on love, Morality.Such are the depths from which the content of the Apocalypsemust be drawn. This does not imply that true Christianity can bedrawn only from these depths. But true Christianity must bepermeated by fire, and man can only kindle this fire in himself when he draws its force from higher vision. In Christianity, the fruitof this higher vision is the Apocalypse.

    Lecture — III
    Berlin, 24 October 1904Before I go further in the explanation of apocalyptic writings, I mustagain repeat that this explanation can be of real value only to those who have been in the Theosophical Movement for a considerabletime and who approach the theosophical view of the world with acertain sympathetic understanding. A great deal will have to besaid here that may well cause opponents to attribute all kinds ofphantastic things to Theosophy, and which, to begin with, will beregarded by rationalistic thinkers as so much brain-spinning.Familiarity with the nature of theosophical thought and feeling isessential if what is said in connection with the Apocalypse is not tobe misunderstood. What I have said about the relation of Christianity to Jesus [the]Christ and about the relation of the writer of the Apocalypse to Jesus must be kept firmly in mind if we are to understand whatfollows. The keystone for a true understanding of the place of Christianity inthe world lies in the saying: Blessed are those who believe eventhough they do not see. As I have already said, the significance of this utterance lies in thefact that what formerly took place in the deep secrecy of theMystery-Temples was carried through Christianity on to the greatarena of the world. “This does not gainsay in the very slightest thehistoric actuality of the happenings in Palestine between the years1 and 33 A.D. The standpoint of those who see to the root of thesethings will far rather be that the familiar Christian tradition ishistoric truth. In this respect, therefore, Theosophy is in agreementat every point with what Christians believe. But the historic fact atthe beginning of our time-reckoning is something else as well, and we understand it rightly when we think of it as a mystical fact, when we realise that the way of the Passion, the Death, theResurrection, the Ascension, are historic happenings which wereformerly enacted in the Mysteries. There is a word in the Bible which indicates how the ancientmystery is related to its own fulfilment, to Christianity. InChristianity, everything that pointed to Christ before His actualappearance is called: the Promise. Those who understand thesethings know that “Promise” means nothing else than that what

    took place in Palestine had been “Promised” in the secrecy of theMysteries. We can understand it from the very words of ancientscripts. Think only of the Mysteries of Greece. What was enacted inthose Mysteries, in deep secrecy, and experienced only by theInitiates, was the Passion, Dying and Resurrection of the “Son ofGod.” They experienced it through the preparation they hadundergone, through their training on higher planes. Thus in theMysteries the Initiate beheld the Passion, the Dying and theResurrection of the Son of God. This was portrayed before their eyes of spirit. That is the Promise. And then this Promise wasfulfilled — in Palestine. This is the explanation of the utterance:blessed not only are those who were seers in the Mysteries, butalso those who are able to believe not merely in the Word revealedto the Mystics, but in the Word made Flesh. That is the meaning ofthis utterance. It is from this point of view that we mustunderstand the relation in which John the Apocalyptist stands tothe Mysteries of antiquity and to the Christian Mystery. Light willthen be thrown on many a passage.It is said in the Apocalypse that seven seals are opened. What doesthe opening of seals mean, in the language in which the Apocalypse is written?Since time immemorial, the secret of the Sons of God becomingman was announced prophetically to the mystics. And in thelanguage of the Apocalypse, the presentation of this secret on thephysical plane is called the opening of a seal. In the language ofoccultism, the opening of a seal means nothing else than theproclamation of something that was formerly made known only tothe Initiates and presented only within the Mysteries. The picturegiven is correct in its very details. What is later revealed was inearlier times beheld within the Mysteries. During the time of theMysteries there was no book which recorded what happened in theMysteries. This came only later. Such a book is the Gospel. TheGospel contains what was formerly presented in the Mysteries, and what is written there is “unsealed” for those who are ready for it. And who will be ready? Here is something that you must grasp inits whole setting in the Apocalypse. Something is proclaimed toseven Communities. You have heard that these seven Communitiesare representatives of the seven sub-races of the Fifth Root Race. Who, then, are the Proclaimers? And who are those to whom theproclamation is made? Here we must think from the esoteric pointof view of the appearance of Christ as compared with other

    appearances. (If you have read the last number of the magazine “Lucifer” you will there find something that I will now briefly repeat.) The evolution of mankind stands under the direction of mighty Leaders who guide its onward progress. In the language ofesotericism these Leaders are called Manus. A Manu, therefore, isthe Being who at the beginning of a race gives the great impulse,the direction in which the race is to evolve. We are living now in theFifth Root Race. When, after the destruction of the Fourth Root Race(the Atlantean) this Fifth Root Race began its development, thegreat impulse was given by the Manu of the Fifth Root Race. TheManu is not in the same sense a man among men as other outstanding human individualities. Even before mankind on theearth was filled with spirit, the Manu had already reached a lofty stage of development. It was in the Third Root Race, when in themiddle of the Lemurian epoch the human spirit flashed up for thefirst time in the human body, that such leaders came to the humanrace. When men were young, when they were still children, they could not lead themselves. But their leaders were not of the samenature as themselves. These Beings who had already reached ahigher stage of development in an evolution that is not that ofman, were so advanced, that they could be leaders of the humanrace before the spirit had incarnated in the bodies of men. These were superhuman Beings. These superhuman beings are oftwo kinds. The one kind, who were already leaders at the time when, in respect of the Spiritual, men were still children, theseBeings had already advanced so far that they had reached a stage which will be reached by humanity only in the far distant future. These highly developed individualities, the Manus, are called in thelanguage of esotericism, “the Holy Spirits.” The second category of Beings were already nearer to man’s level,but still superhuman. They are called, “Sons of God.” And the nextgroup of individualities were those who were already men amongmen.If we go back to the middle of the Lemurian epoch and survey man’s whole evolution, we find three grades of individualities whohave something to do with humanity. There is a group of very lofty individualities who long, long ago, in the far past, had already passed through the stages of evolution which man will attain only in the distant future. They are the “Holy Spirits.” A second group arethe “Sons of God.” They stand nearer to man but are nevertheless

    far more exalted than he. And the third group are those who, ashuman beings were still children, but were nevertheless the mostadvanced among those early men. They are the “Fathers” or “Pitris.” We have therefore three grades of beings and these three grades ofbeings are the guides and leaders of mankind.If we now go back once again to the beginning of the Fifth RootRace, we find the superhuman Manu, by whom the great impulse was given. But in the course of the Fifth Root Race, something very significant comes to pass, namely that in the course of the FifthRoot Race, men themselves progress so far that a few of them willbe able to take into their hands the spiritual guidance of thehuman race. Those whom we call “Fathers” or “Elders,” will then beable to guide and lead men as formerly they were led by thesuperhuman Beings. Thus the guidance and leadership of mankindpasses over from the Manus to those who are “Human Brothers,” “Brothers of Men.” The Holy Spirits, the Sons of God, the Fathers, become the leadersof the human race in the successive epochs of time. The “Fathers”are also called “Elders.” When the Word took on human form, so says the writer of the Apocalypse, this Word, the Logos, took on human form as the “Son,” just as formerly the Word took on human form as a Spirit, or sinceChristian esotericism calls the Spirit “Angel,” before the Wordbecame Flesh, the Word was an “Angel.” This is Christianesotericism. First, the Word or the Logos is an Angel, then the Wordbecame Flesh as Son, and then the Word will become “Elder” or “Father.” These are the successive stages. The Christian Initiateshave always understood this. But their words must be rightly understood.Paul, one of the greatest Christian Initiates, could only hint at theseprofound secrets. But he gave an indication of what I have justbeen saying. When the Word was still an Angel, the Word was stillon the super-sensible plane. The Word is spoken from out of theclouds, from the supersensible, when Commandments areproclaimed. The age of the “Law” is the age of the “Promise.” Thetime of the Law was when the Word was an Angel. Then the Wordbecame Flesh and later on the Word will become “Elder” or “Father.”Paul was an Initiate, and proclaimed this in the Epistle to theGalatians in the following words: “The law is not of faith, but the man that doeth them shall live inthem. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being

    made a curse for us; for it is written, cursed is everyone thathangeth on a tree; that the blessing of Abraham might come onthe gentiles, through Jesus Christ; that we might receive thepromise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after themanner of men; though it be but man’s covenant, yet if it beconfirmed, no man annulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abrahamand his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seedsas of many; but as of one and to thy seed, which is Christ. And thisI say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,the law which was four hundred and thirty years after cannotannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if theinheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise; but God gave itto Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It wasadded because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in thehand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; butGod is one. Is the law then against the promise of God? God forbid;for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.”Other passages, too, indicate that the Word was an Angel, butsubsequently became Flesh. What happened through the Wordbecoming Flesh? It was proclaimed to the sub-races of the FifthRoot Race how they should develop on into the future. In theLetters to the seven Communities, the author of the Apocalypseindicates how evolution proceeds. Not all human beings reach thegoal, not all those who have entered into this evolutionary processreach the goal in the due time. Something very significant comes topass. In order to understand it aright, let us ask: How does the writer of the Apocalypse help us to understand the Fathers, theElders? Do we find the Elders themselves in the Gospel? Yes, they are there at the time when the Angel has become the Son. At thattime the Fathers are not yet ready to receive the Word intothemselves. They must wait for a future time. In the age of thePromise, the Fathers have not progressed sufficiently. They willunderstand the Word only at the end of the Fifth Root Race, when within themselves as Fathers, they will understand what remainedhidden from them at the time when Christ, their Master, was onearth. The twelve Disciples are Elders. They are destined again tocome into the presence of Christ. Then, at the end of the Fifth RootRace, the Book that was given to them sealed, will be unsealed. Again something of particular significance comes to pass in

    evolution. We are told what conditions will be when the Fifth RootRace has progressed, to the point where it must be decided whether the time has come for the transition into the Sixth RootRace. I shall merely indicate things upon which I will speak morefully in later lectures. The coming of the Sixth Root Race is announced by the sounding oftrumpets. Quote from Rev. IV;12 “And the fourth Angel sounded,and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of themoon, and the third, part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and thenight likewise.” This refers to the third part that has remained behind, whichhowever, need not have happened. The Letters to the Communitiescontain not only warnings and admonitions but also sharp reproof.Not all reach the goal. A third part (of humanity) falls away completely from evolution. We have therefore one third which willattain the goal, one third which lags behind, and one third whichdoes not reach the goal and falls completely away. One thirdattains its goal, a second third will only later attain its goal, makingtogether two thirds; and at the end of the Fifth Root Race, only onethird of those who began evolution will have reached the necessary stage of development.Seventy-two Elders were called upon to enter into evolution and todevelop to further stages. The admonitions to the Communities which it devolved upon the Elders to lead, indicates that only athird reach the goal. If we take a third of 72 Elders, we have 24Elders who will still be there when the seven seals of the Book areopened. This revelation of God’s majesty is something which wasproclaimed, by the appearance of Christ. Quote from Rev. IV: “After this I looked and behold, a door was opened in heaven, and thefirst voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking withme; which said, “Come up hither and I will shew thee things whichmust be hereafter.” And immediately I was in the Spirit; andbehold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Andhe that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone, andthere was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto anemerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats,and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment, and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And outof the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices,and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne,

    which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and in the midst of the throne were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion and the second beast like a calf and the third beasthad a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; andthey were full of eyes within, and they rest not day and night,saying Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty which was and is and isto come. And when those beasts gave glory and honour and thanksto him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, the four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever and cast their crownsbefore the throne saying, “Thou are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and Power, for thou hast created all things and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” This is the future stage of evolution when those who haveovercome will have become Fathers in the true sense.I said that what once took place, in the deep secrecy of theMysteries will, in later times, be unsealed. I have told you thatChrist’s appearance on earth was presented in the Greek Mysteries. What was then a secret was unveiled through the appearance ofChrist. We could have gone into the Greek Mysteries and we shouldthere have beheld the Passion, Death, Resurrection and Ascension. The seven seals belong to the future. If a mystery is also proclaimedthen, it will again be a mystery of which the seal belongs to a stilllater future. As far as this is possible, I will tell you of a mystery that has beencelebrated ever since the time of the ancient Indian Rishis and is ofdeepest significance. I will try to render it in the following way, insymbolism. There is a horse, with the front foot raised. Upon thishorse sits a divine figure with a bow. The figure gives a sign andthe horse tramples a serpent on the head with its foot. This is thehorse Kalki. This signifies that everything of a lower nature fallsaway, that there will come a future when the Son of the Gods, he who sits upon the horse, will come and who, as king adorned withthe crown, will bring the revelation of what is hidden in the book with the seven seals. This is a mystery that is everywhere to befound. I have only been able to indicate it in an entirely external way. But today it is still a mystery that can be experienced andbeheld only by an Apocalyptist, but in the future times will beunveiled within us, just as John has revealed and written down for

    us the unsealing of the old world. Then we shall realise that itpoints to the time when the Elders, the Fathers, receive therevelation of what underlies this mystery and is revealed at itsunsealing.Quote from Rev. VI:1-3 “And I saw when the Lamb opened one ofthe seals; and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of thefour beasts saying, come and see. And I saw, and beheld a whitehorse, and he that sat on him had a bow, and a crown was givenunto him, and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And whenhe had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, comeand see.” This is repeated four times. The unsealing of the mystery of theFathers, as it is contained in Christianity, is of all words spoken inthe Mysteries, the most significant. Whence comes man? Whither does his development lead? From the Father to the Father. This isrevealed through the Mediator. “No one cometh to the Father savethrough me.” The whole of world evolution, that of the past and that of thefuture, actually comes to expression in the Apocalypse. Even theseindications are of the most elementary kind. We must first be ableto employ the words of the Apocalypse in their true meaning. Weshall learn more and more from them. Today I only wanted to call forth a feeling that by steeping oneselfin this work, one realises that its depths are inexhaustible. Of this Ican assure you: The Apocalypse is one of those writings in the faceof which we learn true humility, true piety and through which welearn what the Indian esotericist calls Faith (Glauben). There is anexperience which imparts this Faith to us in the deepest sense, andit is the following: After we have made efforts to understand such a writing, we believe, to begin with, that we know a little about it. But when we try to go into it still more deeply, as deeply as our powersallow, we find that our earlier interpretation was utterly childish. We realise that only now do we rightly understand what is said. And having done this and after a lapse of time again take up thebook, the same experience is repeated. When this has happenedseveral times, Shradda (Faith) comes to us. We steep ourselvesagain and again in such a writing, finding in it ever greater depths. That is the inexhaustible fount of such writings, which we can read with unshakable confidence but can never come to an end of their meaning. This is at the same time an urge to be humble in our attitude towards such writings, to delve into them more and. more

    deeply. It will be clear to us then that if a really profoundexplanation seems to have been found, it will become ever moreprofound, in time to come. From this springs the consciousnessthat the greatest treasures given to man do not stem from humanimperfection but from divine perfection, for this is verily divine wisdom, revelation of divine wisdom. Documents of wisdom aregiven to us in these books. Our understanding of them is stillfeeble, for these writings come to us, not from men, not frombelow, but from above, through the Gods. We have to develop totheir heights. This gives the esotericist a feeling of the truth of words which must become part of his very life, must be his guidingmaxim, and which must permeate theosophists ever more deeply.For it is not dogmatic knowledge, not doctrinal knowledge, thatmakes a man a theosophist, but the fact that he is steeped throughand through with the wisdom of this utterance, that his wholeattitude of mind and feeling is filled with the wisdom which itcontains: The Highest — it is given from the Primal Beginning; TheHighest — it will be understood through man at the end of the days.

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29. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 11, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Cuz Her Eyes Started To Bleed….

    On extreme levels of emotional contagion..the life in spirit..and more about the complexities on what is described as Autism in the US…

    As always inspired by White Pearl’s Blog as so many others are through her gift of writing..and strong spirit and emotions..too…as well as what she understands as her truths in life..

    katiemiafrederick / October 3, 2013
    Well….if this is the ability you are truly blessed with now..I hope to ‘god’ your husband to be is like my wife..as her soul is pure…otherwise you are destined for human hell my dear…

    I’m dead serious about this one…as every other one….

    And what you describe is almost exactly what I experienced in this metaphorical way…

    I only hope this is not what you are experiencing now…Lovexx

    White Pearl / October 11, 2013
    Yes I guess I am blessed with this ability…. I hope I won’t be in hell…I hope to use it positively !
    I would love to listen to your experiences….As you like in ‘metaphorical ways ‘
    Love xx

    katiemiafrederick / October 11, 2013
    Empathy is a complex human attribute.. The core of empathy for human beings is described as emotional contagion..

    Animals experience emotional contagion..potentially at higher levels than humans who have become numb to emotional contagion through the stimulus of the byproducts of collective intelligence..

    Chances are people in Muslim countries retain higher levels of emotional contagion..as they are farther removed from some of the cultural byproducts of collective intelligence..particularly young men exposed to pornography..as this stimulus has the potential to reduce emotional contagion..as watching violence will do too..

    So..this is part of the reason in general that people in Muslim countries are more fully hot about Allah or as we say God or the Christ energy/spirit/force in the WEst..

    Most people here..even some of the pastors are truly lukewarm even the ‘showmen’ if you will..

    So back to higher levels of emotional contagion and empathy..

    As mentioned before in our conversations..Asperger’s syndrome is not at all in reality like the more severe forms of Autism where Children cannot speak…

    In fact it is often the opposite condition in feeling emotional contagion..that some children with Autism experience who lack this ability for emotional contagion and interact with human beings as if they are tools..

    In other words..if I need your arm to scratch my back I’ll use it..but if I step on it…no consequence of feeling in my heart..metaphor there..not me…

    Along with extremes of emotional contagion among these individuals with the actual Asperger’s syndrome that Hans Aspergers described..comes heightened sensory abilities in the 5 senses and potentially senses not currently described by science..

    For example..my tactile sensory perceptions are so high..that I cannot bear to touch man made materials.. IN fact I cannot touch the denim on my jeans without an intolerable feeling of discomfort.. So the people who do not experience this may think I am crazy if i speak about it..but it is as real as breathing to me..and an actual measurable phenomenon in reaction if not in biological test..as no biological test currently can measure this phenomenon..

    So this is just background information to this point..and part of the reason I suspected you might be somewhere on this broader autism phenotype of heightened emotional contagion..as your levels of compassion expressed for others is evident in just the fact that you without fail eventually respond to all the comments here without personal judgement of which comment you feel is good enough for you or interesting enough for you to respond to.. This is exactly the way I am…

    I will not respect anyone’s opinions less than any other opinion for a reply when it comes to communicating although I may vehemently disagree…

    This is what can be described as Altruism..and is a common element of individuals who have the actual Asperger’s syndrome and not a condition that is labeled incorrectly in the previous DSMIV standards in the US..that could pick up something as simple as a video game addiction with it’s broad and non-specific standards…

    Here is the problem that leads many people to believe that individuals with Asperger’s syndrome and closely related symptoms on the broader autism phenotype and the general introversion spectrum who are more sensitive to neuro-chemicals such as dopamine…

    When a person with extremely high levels of emotional contagion are with people who are extremely negative..stressed..or in human pain..they pick up on these feelings so greatly that eventually they may experience a similar phenomenon as combat fatigue that a soldier may experience..

    They eventually may repress the pathway in the brain to empathy..and turn to logical exercises..to escape what can be extreme personal distress in feeling so many emotions of others..

    This is part of what led to my total loss of emotions..as the power of emotional contagion almost destroyed me..as well as the fact that I could not separate the emotions of other people and understand through language the complexity of the nuance and strengths of the emotions when I encountered other people of so many different emotional persuasions..particularly in the US in these huge market places cram packed with stressed out human beings..like Super Walmart..

    Okay..this is a lengthy comment but I think essential to lay the building blocks of the issue..as if you experience this high level of emotional contagion..and already perhaps repress part of it in real life..potentially blocking some of your ability to physically demonstrate empathy to other people..what you could face if you live with someone with a strong negative emotional state of being…is as if you are a negative emotional being yourself..which is a little like human hell if one cannot escape this..

    While my wife is pure in heart..she can be extremely negative..from a hard childhood of not much love..so I must escape this negativity at times to keep moving in this positive light that I have adapted to through 53 years of life..to stay positive if you will..about 98 percent of the time..and to radiate light in real life to others among all the people I meet now when I wander the general public..attend church..etc…as a testament to what I understand as God…

    But if my wife was not pure in heart..when I say this I mean never lying..loyalty..integrity etc.. it would be almost intolerable to my human heart and spirit to live in the same house with such an individual and never escape this kind of spirit..and heart..although in metaphor..it’s not always too much of a problem to visit this type of negativity or lying human soul..as long as I can take frequent vacations..such as working with this type of individual and being able to go home at the end of the day and get away…

    Presently my tolerance is very high..and I have learned the subtle nuances of making my emotions that are positive stronger than a thousand negative people with negative emotions..as another metaphor..

    WEll you don’t know your husband yet..and I don’t know enough about the men in your country particularly in an individual way.. to make any predictions on this..but it seems that the woman are good people..and not surprising as they are taught to nurture above all other attributes it seems..and my wife is naturally like this..so maybe if she is reincarnated she is a muslim woman..but ‘my God’ a fiery one at that..yeah I don’t know about reincarnation so that’s a metaphor too..but my mind always stays open to any potentiality in this life..as the miracles keep happening that I never thought could happen to me…xxLove..glad to see you back and doing OK..hope you get well..soon

    I never get sick my problem is the opposite… I have to be around many germs as my immune system is so strong it will attack me if I don’t feed it plenty of germs..no doubt like everything else..super physical strength.. and all the other strange things that combine to make me who IAm and strange..smiles and….xxlove..xx…

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30. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    A poster trying more fully understand my metaphors in the “IS it OK to believe in God’ thread on the Wrong Planet Website:

    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf238546-0-375.html

    Aghogday Wrote:

    God is not a word..
    God is energy…
    Light..
    Love…
    The words or vessels and vehicles….
    That attempt to capture and describe this ‘God’….
    But only those that LIVE this ‘god’ energy walking….
    AS THIS LIGHT!
    Are
    Those..
    The only ones..
    Who ‘kNOW’ GOD…
    ONENOWFOREVERMORE…
    SAYS THE RAVEN…
    BUT THE PHOENIX…
    LIVES LIGHT..LIFE..FOREVERMORENOW….
    ONE

    MCalavara Wrote:

    All you’re showing is that you’re artistic/poetic in thinking, but you haven’t really shown much evidence for an entity that is necessary to be labeled “God”. Like I said before, you might as well replace “God” with “Lucifer” in your “arguments”, and it would make no difference. Or Obama Barack or whatever.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Well..THERE IS MUCH more to life than language my friend..or science..they are all approximations of the truth..so in others words there is much more to life than meets the words of science…

    Goddard communicated this as well as I could possibly communicate it in response to you…

    But here is the thing..unless you walk in light you are blind..and yeah that’s not anything personal.. IT IS..Just Metaphor Friend..IS IT!

    And yeah..ALL LANGUAGE is metaphor…

    AS ALL WE LIVEVIL IS WHAT ‘WE’ CRE@E..yeah..friend..yOURs…

    And you can ask any linguistic expert…and they WILL tELl you this is true…

    Darknesss IS FREE..but LIGHT IS a lot of Work…

    So stand by in dark..or move ahead in LIGHT..IT IS only your true will that you livevil..not mine..IS IT

    Lots of Love..seyes…

    ?LOL….!
    !NOWon..E..NO?

    ?POETRY IS god!
    !god IS POETRY?

    !ONENONENO?
    ?WONOWONOW!

    I don’t get your posts lately. Are you even trying to make sense?[/quote]

    ‘Listen dude’..if you are autistic it is no wonder you are not understanding IT..

    That’s the whole point..don’t you see..

    No you cannot see that is my point…

    And yes I used to be ‘blind’ too and am no longer blind..

    So seyes..It’s just a little out of the box..

    OK?KO!

    (Big Lebowski movie trailer linked above in a previous comment..removed for Word Press comment 2 video restriction for this comment)

    There are some more helpful hints in the movie trailer above…

    IT’s ALL For Practice of that IS ALL…for ALl and ONENOW…

    MCalavara Wrote:

    I am autistic, but there is nothing in what you say here that anyone else other than you could understand. You attribute it to something so divine just because you know your mind better than everyone else.

    Understand you are communicating with people who don’t have access to your mind. If you want a proper conversation going, posting as if you’re transcribing exactly what you’re thinking without fine tunings and such is not going to be effective.

    Aghogday Wrote:

    Sorry my friend but that is not at ‘all’ true.. there are many people who understand exactly what I say.. I am a member of an international poetry club and they have little to no problems as they understand metaphor better than the ‘average joe’ walking down the road…

    This is simply an exercise of out of the box thinking…

    Of course you are not going to get all of it..as poetry is designed to make people think differently not the same…

    And yes if you are autistic this is scientifically understood as an issue of difficulty for many Autistic people to understand metaphorical ways of speaking…

    My gift here now is a result of a neuroplastic adaptation to the loss of sight and the move away from visual thinking to no choice but verbal thinking..so my abilities have increased in this area…

    I can still use perfect grammar and spelling as there is still is a record of me doing so on this site for millions of words in my long cold analytical posts…

    But these words are not dead..they are alive in metaphorical effect and impact..whether your conscious mind is aware of it or not…

    IN other words you do not have to analytically understand everything I am saying for it to impact your subconscious mind and the greater potentials that do exist in your mind and in your untapped strands of DNA..Epigenetically speaking…

    I am an extremely logical person..and not a very emotional person at all in my ability for human language although I experience extreme levels of emotional contagion through my life…

    I am still talking facts here in what I describe in parable like language..and really am still not talking about emotional stuff..when i speak in lyrical poetic free verse..if you will…

    And seriously there are about 14K people that visit this site everyday..and maybe a few hundred that actually post…

    Even if my words have no impact on you to bring you to greater levels of love and light..lesser personal judgement and hate against others..there is always that potential for the hundreds of silent readers in the background..the ones with the type of Asperger’s syndrome that I and my sister share…

    Before my eye problems I was a decoder of all symbols visual..and this would be the last place i would be spending my time..as the real world was always where IT was ‘AT’ for me…

    Now that I have my sight back I don’t spend nearly as much time writing…

    In fact.. I have taken over 9000 photos now with my iphone with my new special interest of photography in the last 6 weeks since I see again…

    There may come a day when I don’t write at all anymore..like there was before I lost much of my sight…

    AS far as God goes ..of course god exists..only a ‘fool’ would not ‘see’ this..if they spent anytime with nature alone…

    Nature was close to my only friend when I was growing up and I live close to the most beautiful beach in the world…

    There was never a question for me if God exists as I spent my entire summers walking with God alone @ONE on those beaches…

    I don’t know if many young people even have the opportunity to feel God in this way..as stimulation from the cultural byproducts of collective intelligence can numb the ability to even feel this power, force and general connectedness that is God…

    I was raised as a Catholic and could not find God there..but I did find God on the Beach…

    Now that I am an adult and middle aged..I have matured to the point where I can experience God in church too..and overlook the technical issues that I do not agree with..that is what I understand as true wisdom my friend..the ability to overlook and accept the differences of others…

    I don’t ever expect anyone to agree with me..that’s not why I post here…

    I post to provide people the opportunity to experience something they have not experienced before..as I am stranger than most people..and you will not often encounter someone like me in the ‘real world’ ..if you will…

    So consider that a pain in the ass.. if you will..but that is what this site is all about..different ways of thinking and different ways of communicating…so if I am the strangest of all I guess that makes me king of the hill..haha..just a joke my friend..parables are cool..and that jesus dude the real one that lived if he truly did is one of the coolest dudes I know..once you know the Jeffersonian one…

    I’m back at my Catholic Church singing and sharing love and light with the folks there that do not discriminate against people with differences like homosexuals and muslim folks..and loving every minute of it now..that i can get pass some of the technical difficulties i have with all of the beliefs expressed there..but if I could convince the bishop and the pope to add the following you tube song..to express what I fully understand as what approximates God..I would surely convince them of it..but since I obviously cannot do that..I will share it here now…

    As this symphony of science and these science guys playing their roles in the video..are describing the same GOD I understand AS the GOD I live with on the beach…who communicates with me through emerald green waves..seagulls flying the patterns of the winds and the shores..and the sea oats moving in the waves of air as ALL is connecting with ALL as ONE…

    So yeah.. ‘God is a beach and then you live’…

    Next time you go on vacation try the gulf coast..and the white beaches..and perhaps you’ll find God if you don’t already live God everyday..and just don’t realize you already do..but of course are turned off by so many religions in the US that seriously have no idea of what God even IS as far as I can see..as God is never hate or personal judgement…

    My cat knows more about God than these ‘idiots’ saying that homosexuals are demon possessed..and all muslims are out to kill all Americans…

    My cat hugs the mother earth that is core of God every night in the grass..his bliss is free…humans are brainwashed to hate and live in hell and the only animal that truly experiences hell..humans create hell for themselves when the dreams could truly be God instead of nightmares of hate…and this thing called hell or even the devil if you want to call hate that…

    So anyway here is the video..

    I’ve learned not to hate..but I freely express all my emotions now..and yes many religions piss me off..but I refuse to hate as many religions are the true anti-christ in effect wherever hate and personal judgement is expressed…

    As this HATE is opposite of theTRUE CHRIST…the love and light that is Truly what I understand as God…the same God that my cat experiences at night hugging the grass..that is truly home…

    And yeah..Miley Cyrus expresses what I understand as God more than most religious folks do in her new video called ‘We can’t stop’ so I’ll link that too..as these two videos reflect what I understand as God more than most churches and the most popular protestant pastor that has his own radio show in my local area…who calls homosexuals demon possessed…or even one of my real friends who calls them diseased and has been poisoned by the restrictive Muslim religion too..yet loves all people altruistically no matter what the ignorance of her religion may teach…

    It takes a lot of work to communicate the whole that is…

    But at the end of the day..it is simple as a beach…at least for me…

    Life is way more complicated that IT needs to be…

    But for those who have been brain washed in extremes of collective intelligence ways..the path back out is truly like the camel passing through the eye of the needle…for these people who are brainwashed by culture they might as well be the rich dude in that parable in the bible..no matter even if they are economically poor..and yes that includes the brainwashing of many mainstream religions too..the antichrist religions that is..parading around with the garments of Christ..in metaphor if you will…

    Jesus does not need clothes..as he is a natural dude..the real Jesus that is the Christ that is that we all have the potential to share..IT seems to me…

    You continue to listen..so I will never give up on sharing light with you MCalavara…

    And no I’m not a good communicator..yeah I’ve got autism2 you know..that reciprocal social communication disorder…

    So if I’m lucky I’ll get to the point I’m really trying to make one day soon…

    If not now.

    So here are the videos..enjoy if you will..I feel the same light and love when watching these scientists as I do when I go to church..if not more..the love and light that I understand to be the connectedness of all ALL that IS..that which some people call God.

    Period…and Namaste..Google that one if you like..my friend..and thanks for the respect you show to me..even though you strongly disagree with me..and I do understand that you have a difficult time understanding me…

    I am really trying hard in this post to help you understand..what I understand as this three letter word that has as many definitions..it seems as stars in the sky..as they are in effect ALL GOD in total impact and Effect..as we are ALL ONE in totality of the smallest unit of what makes existence for ALL…Science understands this and so does the real “CHRIST” THAT WE ALL CAN SHARE..IF WE LOSE THE HATE AND PERSONAL JUDGEMENT THAT SEPARATES SO MANY PEOPLE…yeah i am a challenge to accept as one of God’s children..but never the less I am a child of God..a metaphor my friend not to be taking literally…please..only to share…

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31. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 11, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    10112013
    9
    It appears that i@9 makes this a great day!
    For spiritual expression of the ONe that can be called CHRiST…
    And the beautiful fall weather in the country area of where I live..
    Certainly does not hinder expressions of Love…if one
    WILLs…evolove…

    Yeah that’s just a little metaphor I created for the evolution of love..cool how It’s ALL love either in reverse or forward..anyway..one ‘seyes’ and affirmation of yes in TRUE sight too..if one wills..three for father..son and holy spirit..just another little metaphor for bringing ego.. spirit..and the One of ALL together as ONE…

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32. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    I talk a lot about Love, Light, lack of hate and personal judgement..and true will but the greatest human attribute of all i see is human gratitude…

    IN fact, if I had may way I would re-label this human attribute as GREAtitude..

    IN fact..I might spell IT this way to get your attention..in fact..i think i will from NOWon..

    So here IT IS…

    GRE@ITude

    And yeah the IT is included by fruition on purpose as an after effect for a culture programmed to see everything me..a subconscious go GitHer if one wills..TOgetHER…

    AS IT…

    Well here’s a little more personal history again which i can also apologize for as it is probably getting repetitive for anyone who is truly following my blog who KNOWnow my intent is fully positive in total effect…

    Without sleep in 35 hours of sleep in 40 days with 1 hour each of the first 35 with assistance of an alpha blocker and none possible in the last 5 until hospitalization and a much more powerful drug..along with accompanying pain of atypical trigeminal neuralgia like dagger in the right eye and ear..along with fibromyalgia..severe arthritis with the congenitally fused T6 vertebrae..dysautonomia..vasovagal pre syncope..Sgyogren Syndrome..severe anxiety..PTSD..Panic Attacks..Severe Depression..and other various issues including an Autism Spectrum Disorder..comes a place ‘none’ as hell..a place where every second can be a thousand years of human hell at the bottom of a pit of 40 almost sleepless days…

    There is a place where there is nothingness..that exists..where even the worst pain disappears and then there is hope for any pain to remove that nothingness from the existence that IS…

    Time no longer has any many meaning so forever is 1 second in impact of a thousand metaphorical years of hell…

    Well…

    AS you might understand now..and then as became the case..even the experience of pain became a sacred experience for gratitude…and death that could elicit emotions in an otherwise stone cold heart became a pleasure greater than all others when a beloved pet that I could no longer truly love without emotions died..last April…

    So now that I regained the human sight that I lost..I spend my time taking photos of nature and even my own face..celebrating both the beauty of nature and the expressions of my face that did not exist anywhere in my universe for about 60 months or so…

    When ALL i had is letters, numbers and words..the letters and numbers became symbols for my Universe..as when mankind first developed them they were artistic expressions of the Universe that surrounded man in visible sight in connections in stars that cross the sky..and the golden spirals that make the nature of galaxies..Nautilus shells..fetuses..and all the other patterns of nature that exist and are shared across the Universe as a pattern of life of ALL th@ IS…

    So now everything is sacred to me..even a blade of grass or a grain of sand..but you see this is the way I saw life as child anyway without going through the human hell that was my destiny to be after three some 40 to 50 years later..as the innocent child of forever I used to be…

    And so wh@ can I do now but share this sacredness of ALL i see..

    I say ‘seyes’ to ALL that IS..as ALL IS sacred even ADOLPH HITler..and the mythological being described as the devil..that is a symbol of the dark side of human nature that any human can fall to given the destiny of potential circumstances…

    So I say evilivedevilive for one simple purpose..as what is above makes what is below what makes what is above..and the cycle of life goes on…

    Yeah.. that movie the Lion King had IT correct as far as I see as the CIRclE of life goes on like a Golden Spiral..or a Nautilus shell…

    And you see my friend..even if I Am dead now..this is my Nautilus shell…

    As you come across IT…

    NOW…

    So I say what do you leave behind for others..inspiration to love and live or to hate and die…

    IT is only your WiLL as if you come across this when I Am dead all I can do is pray for you now..in words..that you read at this moment NOW….

    But in life It is the Passion Inspired by emotions that move humans ahead..and I do have this passion again NOw..so what I do is share..as IT is hard to keep that level of passion to one’s self alone…or @ONE….

    wELl..I guess I have my new blog post now..

    Titled Gre@ITude…

    But no rush..as this one is still fresh..I guess…

    And certainly with a title like IS IT OK to Luv Lucifer IT will be one of a kind for some time to come..on a Google search..for anyone to come across some of these unusual thoughts….

    RAndomly.. but not like random..if ONE WILLS..in TOTAL positive effect or impact however one may perceive IT…

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33. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 12, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    aghogday
    Another Kool Post on the Wrong Planet WEbsite by Baby bird on IS @an gay…

    Always looking forward to what she will come up next with as she surely is an out of the box..thinker2..and not closed in a tightly sealed box as some of these more unfortunate Autistic People are..in a mind divorced from emotions..in total effect….
    http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5685772.html#5685772

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    Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:10 am Post subject:
    Wow..wh@ a Kool question..but an easy one @TH@

    You see..or knownow..ALL angels are asexual as sex is quite a step down for an Angelic Being..

    It would be like eating sardines..after sipping on bee’s nectar…

    Or something like th@

    Even the fallen ones…

    And yeah…

    Human Angels do exist…

    I think i saw one hanging around here or flying or something like th@….

    But i’ll have to double check…

    And I’ll get back to

    one on th@

    The Angel

    TH@IS…
    You see
    @IS
    asymbol4angel…2
    46….

    Anyway most

    Truly enlightened people..

    Including Satan…

    Don’t get around to having babies..

    And gay or asexual..in that regard can be

    The path to light…

    As it is easier to do anything of substance when one IS

    Not engaged in changing dirty diapers…

    But I suppose that is a necessary ‘evil’ of survival…So if one wills….

    Please continue to procreate..ALL I AM good for is just creating…………….
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34. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 14, 2013 at 4:50 AM

    aghogday
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    Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:16 am Post subject:
    MCalavera wrote:
    None of you who say that Jesus and Horus overall story are same myths have read Egyptian mythology.
    Aghogday Wrote:

    Dude..did you watch the video..

    I was commenting on the video..not what i read of Egyptian Mythology..

    If it’s not true..it just does not support my opinion…And I did not provide that video…

    But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind..which is precisely a scientific mind..that GOD exists…

    The proof I personally have is irrefutable…seriously…

    But you got your mind made up…

    If I could make your car levitate…

    You’d figure out a way to pooh..poooh IT..at least I’m thinking you would..

    But again I’m speaking mostly to the larger listening audience..

    HERE…

    You are kind of in the back ground here actually so no offense please..intended..

    I’m just using your comments as inspiration..if you will..

    To make the points i’m making in a lyrical melodic way..if you can..could… or will….

    AS THIS IS THE type of language..

    That can last a long time as memory…

    AS the sub-concious mind feeds of

    emotion inspired language..

    Whether IT is analytically

    understood or

    NOT…
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    Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:30 am Post subject:
    The video is based on a lot of ignorance. That’s all.
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    Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:31 am Post subject:
    MCalavera wrote:
    The video is based on a lot of ignorance. That’s all.

    Well…thank you for clarifying that MCalavera…I’m not sure exactly in what way you mean..but I have briefly come across these analogies before and remember them being somewhat debunked if I remember correctly…

    It would be quite a coincidence though if they were true..

    And certainly worth exploring in the historical text to see what could or could not be evidenced as far as this goes..

    But again..my proof of God is in endless bliss..that old thing called Nirvana in EAstern philosophy and certainly not easily obtained.. as that old saying that ‘GOD’ spits out folks that are lukewarm is seriously true as one cannot maintain bliss without an extreme focus on many arts that lead up to that bliss..or what one might call as ONENESS with the ONE..or GOD or whatever…

    Including TAI CHI like movements..dance..singing..music in general…meditation..yoga…and everything the masters of the past and present have established and practiced to obtain…GODHEAD..if you will…

    This is no Illusion at all..IT’s just that the cultural illusions prevent most human beings from freeing themselves from personal judgement against others..all hate..unwarranted fear…free expression of emotions..and freedom to practice a path to enlightenment and bliss in the eternal NOW….

    Part of my journey is simple but at the same time very complex with courageous acts of defying fear..and negative emotions..as well as oneness with the physical body..including walking very fast in reverse in super-walmart..whirling and twirling like a 6FT 222LB ballerina..where no store attendant would dare to approach as this defies their pre-conceived notions of reality…

    In other words they are left speechless..as I do not look like I would ever do such a thing..

    The little children laugh and follow my lead..enjoying themselves at Super-Walmart a little more than usual to the dismay of some of their parents…

    So yeah..that thing that the historical Jesus said about coming into the kingdom of ‘heaven’ NOW..by entering it like a little child and being reborn..is absolutely true for the path I take to achieve this eternal bliss in NOW…

    And no.. bliss is not mania..It is a peaceful feeling of strength and power beyond all imagination..if one has not experienced IT..

    Now here is the thing.. most ‘religious’ leaning people observe GOD outside of themselves..this could be nothing further from the TRUTH..

    GOD is the higher power within each human being that can in effect make any human being..superman..

    That’s ALL Jesus and the other so called prophets were..is Supermen..nothing that unusual..but certainly an admirable state of being to obtain..this thing described as ONENESS,..GOD..CHRIST..ALLAH..or WHATEVER WILL…

    THERE IS NO DOUBT THIS GOD EXISTS…

    NOW THAT MAGICK GUY IN THE SKY OUTSIDE OF ANYONE..SIMPLY BULLSHIT…

    TO BE CLEAR THIS IS ALL MY OPINON AND i DO NOT EXPECT ANYONE TO APPROVE OF IT..AGREE..OR EVEN WANT TO READ IT…
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35. katiemiafrederick says:

    October 14, 2013 at 5:27 AM

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