Thirteen Days of Christmas Grinch

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CELEBRATE THE THIRTEEN

DAYS

OF

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SACRED

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LOVE!

AS

THIS

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REMEMBERS

WHAT IT IS LIKE

TO HAVE 10 TIMES LESS

STRENGTH IN THE PASSION OF LIFE

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agree

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MY HEART

AND SOUL

AND

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AS CHILD

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19 Responses to Thirteen Days of Christmas Grinch

  1. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=216906&start=135

    ^^^

    There are many dark parts of culture today, but there is greater opportunity for FULL creativity, INNOVATION and HARD WORK for the common man in art; particularly, per online avenues of CREATION activity like YouTube, where almost anyone with TRUE INNATE TALENT, no matter how isolated or poor they are, can be a human STAR of talent once they BREAK THROUGH to others in the ‘herd’.

    I’m sure Ms. Rand would be proud of folks, like ‘PSY’, who have gained over 2 Billion views on YouTube doing whatever the hell he wants, even in South Korea.

    There was also a historical man viewed, as the MOST WICKED man to ever walk the earth, Aleister Crowley, who still inspires similar human liberty in the greatest art OF GOD AKA Mother Nature TRUE that is human.

    Yes, sometimes it takes a zealous view to get a point across to the ‘deaf and dumb’ sheep among us.

    And in every dark there is at least some light possible, even with the negative parts of Ms. Rand’s life philosophy that was simply separated from the greatest of human evolved potential both in classical evolution and change per culture in Empathy and Unconditional Love.

    That’s the part of GREATEST OF POTENTIAL IN HUMAN NATURE she FAILS in life, yes, miserably, and most likely why she turned to drugs, as materialistic goods alone can never fill the heart, or even sex, or excitement for that matter.

    And that is only the science of the mind per the state of the art of science that tells us NOW THAT, as Oxytocin can be extinguished by a heart that IS never TRULY NURTURED AND LOVED in childhood, or a heart that dies later in life through repression or oppression of the nature of HUMAN EMPATHY that ALLOWS human being TO POTENTIALLY have the ‘STRENGTH OF 10 GRINCHES’ OR MS. RAND without amphetamines, simply high on Love and LIFE, THE greatest ‘human opiate’ and ‘STEROID’ of strength.

    And yes, I can PROVE WITH IRREFUTABLE SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that this LOVE EXISTS and WORKS LIKE THIS.

    SOME FOLKS call IT GOD PER THE interrelationship of ALL THAT IS, as WELL.

    AND IF MS. Rand lived IT her life could have been TRULY HUMANLY SUCCESSFUL, in all of what Human life CAN potentially BE.

    But JUST in MY opinion, of course. 🙂

    So now, not only does Atlas Shrug, AT LAST, ATLAS, LOVES AS WELL, IN ALL OF WHAT HUMAN CAN BE IN a WIRED HIVE OF HUMAN CREATIVITY AND Unconditional LOVE, per THE INTERRELATIONSHIP OF ALL THAT IS aka GOD 🙂

    YES, IN THE full scope of HUMAN life, PER TRUE LIBERTY AND FREEDOM, Ariana’s philosophy of life, TOO, WORKS MORE FULLY THAN Ayn’s, for those FOLKS who can see more than SKIN DEEP. 😉

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  2. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272575

    ^^^

    Nah, science shows that even Chimps have traits of Altruism.

    Lending a helping hand is part of ‘our’, per most folks, GENETICS FOR evolutionary effect and AFFECT.

    AND THAT AFFECT IS FOR EFFECT OF survival of the species as whole, not just a relatively few selfish folks.

    But true, an almost impenetrable topic for those without true species effect of altruistic AFFECT.

    And I do note that you are not taking a stand on either side of this coin of TRUE EFFECT OF THE AFFECT OF a human helping hand for those who need a little subsistence HELP to get by in life.

    Even Lions do that for the ‘lesser’ hunters among the PRIDE.

    And again, true, some humans who are not properly nurtured and loved in childhood by the village as IT WERE and as IT IS still evolved to be, when working in balance, FALL TO THESE SELFISH WAYS OF LIFE OF refusing to give to others less successful in the hunt for subsistence..

    OR for those folks who lose that AFFECT OF HUMAN POTENTIAL through the LACK OF SOCIAL COGNITION INTELLIGENCE INCREASING activities through life, AND OR REPRESSION AND OPPRESSION THEREOF this natural innate human unconditional loving potential, CAN rarely UNDERSTAND THIS without great effort of adaptation to positive social cognition change, AS teaching empathy to a heartless human being CAN BE like ‘putting lipstick on a PIG’ and expecting it to look ‘pretty’.

    It takes more work than that, and HARD WORK AT THAT.

    Science has never ever shown that a social animal that does not get subsistence help when it needs it, from other social animals, is at a disadvantage FOR survival as evolution evolves the species to evolve as whole when the species is a social animal.

    So in FACTUAL EFFECT OF AFFECT THE LINES ABOVE, ARE ALREADY PROVEN AS EVOLUTIONARY TRUTH AS IS by science.

    And at least for me, it’s hard to imagine that another person could even imagine that TRUTH AS DEBUNK-ABLE per the larger world of Social Animal common sense.

    I DO NOT NEED SCIENCE to know AND FEEL the true AFFECT OF Unconditional Social Animal Love that is seen throughout the animal kingdom and even beyond the so-called social animals that DOES exist FOR those who have the social animal instinct of THIS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR survival of the entire ‘herd/heard’ of species and not just a relative minority of selfish ‘turds’ or other words of rhyme of FACT.

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  3. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272575

    ^^^

    A long discussion is not required.

    The Nordic model of a balanced mix of free market capitalism and social welfare state is proof in the pudding per the health of the resulting societies that social welfare works.

    The folks in the U.S. just do NOT have enough basic human empathy to GIVE what it takes to make it work.

    In other words there are too many non-reformed Grinches that live here. 🙂

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  4. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272562&start=15

    ^^^

    People who have been severely abused or bullied in life can gain an expectation of persecution leading to a full-blown persecution complex at some point in their life.

    Human beings come to expect what they experience and in this case there is an element of truth, but in emotional regulation one must use reason along with the Intelligence of MOVEMENT AND emotion to balance life.

    Delusions of reference is an interesting phenomenon, as it does not always apply to the social norm.

    IF folks think that GOD is sending them signs of significance, THAT CAN BE considered a mainstay of some churches course of common everyday belief.

    Human beings see patterns in THE HISTORICAL PAST OF LIFE AND FORECAST these patterns into the future and this is a necessary evolutionary enhancement for survival to base the future on what the past does bring.

    IN other words live and learn TO PREPARE AND BE READY FOR the future is what ‘we’ do to survive.

    But when imbalance comes and true paranoia or extreme delusions become part of reality, harmful real life results can be a potential, so as in all other things, when functional ability to survive in subsistence and appropriate social interaction is compromised it’s time to get help.

    Meaning and FEELING PURPOSE in life is part of the emotion that emotes us FOR SUCCESS AS LIVING BEINGS..

    JUST AS a healthy non-malignant attribute of ‘Narcissism’ is better for a human FOR success in life than the lowest COMMON denominator of THAT per a ‘timid soul’.

    TO find meaning AND PURPOSE in the PATTERNS AND symbols of life PERCEIVED AS SUCH is also AN EMOTING FORCE FOR HUMAN BEING.

    AND THIS IS PART of why so many people do still attend organized religions for meaning and PURPOSE IN LIFE TO EVOKE EMOTION TO EMOTE HUMAN BEING FOR OVERALL SUCCESS IN SURVIVAL AND Unconditional LOVE in successful social animal cooperation, to be specific.

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  5. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272604

    ^^^

    This is why a culture that supports artistic acts like Miley Cyrus is so important TO un-repress AND un-oppress the repressed AND oppressed herd of style. 🙂

    Otherwise, we might all end UP dressing away our freedoms that folks tRuly died for to make FREEDOM what it CAN BE MORE FULLY, per greatest and most instinctual human freedoms of expressing human sexuality freely AND conSENuAlly as it were, before AND IF culture and or religion took/TAKES that away.

    TG for Google wHere almost ANYTHING WITHIN REASON OF HUMAN FREEDOM GOES WILD!..;)

    Freedom is too precious to let it slide…..BACK. :)!

    AND Nah.. I DO NOT DO everyday things that EVERYDAY PEOPLE DO.. as i for one AM TotAlly FREE!..:)

    And here is a song that sings to that AFFECT AND EFFECT TOO..!:)..

    FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR ALL HUMAN FREEDOMS!

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  6. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=270956&start=135

    ^^^

    It seems as time goes by and the Twitter Mind devolves, fewer and fewer people do this, but that is only anecdotal opinion of Mine.

    I am naturally a fluid intelligence thinking person as I am more of an innate visual thinker than verbal thinker so it is no problem for me, as my mind fluidly works in symbols of images as well as patterns like an algorithm, FOR WHAT COMES NEXT, and that is at core OF what Google is, an algorithm like me. 😉

    And obviously no one cares HERE; that was just a tongue and cheek comment for the last word here, but only if you like, per your will, LKL.

    I AM LIKE NO ONE here, MORE THAN OBVIOUSLY, and I have absolutely NO plans to conform, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, of course. 🙂

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  7. http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272663

    ^^^

    I for one love all human diversity.

    And I for one will never ever let someone’s opinion control how I feel about me again, although before I learned a more effective practice of life, I did let it get to me before.

    As soon as I accepted myself as is, it no longer mattered what anyone else thought or said, and yes not easy at all, and it took over 5 decades for me to TOTALLY ACCEPT MYSELF AS IS.

    But that is just me, different strokes for different folks, and I’ll take the dark with the light, as truly there is no other option for success IN life, as far as I for one, am concerned.

    I rarely ever have problems getting along with so-called NT’s in REAL life now, as I simply carry myself like I like me now.

    I HAVE MORE PROBLEMS here than anywhere else in life online or off, as the majority of vocal ones seem to use this environment overall looking to barb someone else instead of just frigging getting along, in my experience that is almost exclusive to PPR, and I for one, at least, am just here to discuss and not do all the back biting personal attacks.

    It’s a completely different experience for me now in REAL LIFE and definitely like a huge light bulb going off that is was never ‘them’ that was truly the problem, but ‘me’ instead.

    And with taking fullER responsibility FOR that, I NOW HAVE lots of acquaintances and friends in REAL life, in a huge variety of human diversity AND ACTIVITIES, as I go to them and those activities, and do not wait for them and those activities to come to me.

    And yes, that can take a great change in confidence, and for me it was a radical improvement in physical intelligence that does drive both emotional regulation and sensory integration as science does now show through the cerebellum of the brain that makes real life, at least for me, amazing with all the cool human diversity that is out there if one can tolerate and accept differences among everyone else, including one’s own self as is, always practicing and improving one’s self in anyway one finds that works for them.

    Negativity kills the human spirit in all ways it is expressed, as evidenced in science now as well.

    While Positivity in changing what one can and accepting what one cannot change is also proven in science now too, in lifting the human spirit and experience in real life, and of course among almost all the great philosophers and religions of historical lore and fact, as yes, proven now by science, too.
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  8. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272663&start=15

    ^^^

    As far as ‘US’ goes, Autism Speaks does not speak for Asperger’s Syndrome and never will now that is it has been subsumed under the new DSM5 diagnostic criteria.

    However, Asperger’s Syndrome per the last report of research while it actually existed as a Syndrome in the U.S. DSM5 diagnostic criteria comprised 9% of total cases of Autism Spectrum Disorders in the US.

    So it is rational to suggest that Autism Speaks is still speaking for the majority of the spectrum WHATEVER THAT IS, OTHER THAN the folks who post here.

    The organization is simply a non-profit science run organization that does NOT RUN BY EMOTION ALONE, but the science of Autism Spectrum Disorder based on SCIENTIFIC FACT and not conjecture.

    And emotional hyperbole is also part of Marketing Science 101 so the experts attempting to generate as much money as possible for research for the more scientifically noted severe aspects of the Spectrum use that to their advantage as all Non-Profit Organizations do.

    The 9 percent CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE 91 percent EVEN THOUGH they do OFTEN SPEAK VERY WELL, PER THAT 9 PERCENT.

    BUT I LIKE NUMBERS AND VERBAL LANGUAGE TOO.

    On this Internet site, the type of Asperger’s syndrome per symptoms of nonverbal learning disorder is common according to informal polls that are done here.

    Additionally, while the common stereotype of the Asperger’s type of Autism is the STEM major type of mind THAT is a myth in the U.S., as studies in college educated Asperger’s type students are only 33 percent of that statistic, with 66 percent in other fields like English.

    NO surprise there as science shows over 50 percent of folks diagnosed with the historical DSMIV diagnostic criteria for Asperger’s syndrome in the U.S. have symptoms mirroring non-verbal learning disorder.

    A common symptom of nonverbal learning disorder reported here often to break the math nerd genius stereotype is problems with math ranging to dyscalculia where a person is effectively number blind, and also potentially mind blind as to not even recognizing facial features.

    I am not suggesting that anyone has these issues in this discussion as I have no way of knowing that, but based on my expertise in numbers as that is a large part of what I did for decades in life, there are likely people in this discussion that have no way of cognitive empathy through the math of statistics to understand the common sense behind what I am saying here.

    The Autism Spectrum is extremely complex and per the exhaustive study I will link below.

    http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-problem-of-determining-who-is.html

    Truly NO ONE HERE can speak for anyone else.

    But some organization somewhere has to, to make things work in an approximation of what they can REASONABLY SCIENTIFICALLY DO, and for that 91%, which is truly only an approximation, Autism Speaks does a great job as their over a million supporters do agree with.

    But still EVEN THAT is only a very small percentage of the United States Population, so even Autism Speaks is still just a RELATIVE voice in the wilderness crying out, AND MUCH MORE THAN A FEW THOUSAND FOLKS SCREAMING on the Internet that are part of that 9%, overall.

    TO BE FRANK, and statistically correct, all of this complaining about Autism Speaks, is a total waste of time, that does not change anything to the positive nor to the negative overall about anything other than causing people who have related by their own report paranoia, in this overall forum, worrying that their life is at risk, because of a totally benevolent seeking non-profit organization, and that per individual suffering is truly sad to me, as it COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE BY JUST TURNING THE SWITCH OFF ON MISINFORMATION.

    BUT truly some folks have no innate way of understanding the statistics and that is just a fact of nature, and probably why I cannot get through to some folks per the truth, as I did for literally years here trying, as now I understand better potentially why I could NOT through my own scientific research per SOME OF the folks who post here.

    In real life the majority of people just see a puzzle piece and give some money at wherever it is being collected at, as for any other problem of human beings that other folks collect for to help the herd.

    If it is not a BAD PROBLEM PEOPLE DO NOT GIVE, so YES, TO MAKE DONATIONS WORK THAT IS THE ONLY WAY in marketing science 101 per the non-profit way of generating money for research for any human disorder to work.

    And yes, science, not me, shows that Autism overall is a very disabling condition per limits of function of the human brain, as well as legally NOW, per the list of disabilities that Autism is now included in U.S. LEGAL CODE that consistently results in virtually all cases of protection under the Americans with Disabilities ACT.

    This is serious business and serious business takes very deep pockets that have it to give, as well as the motivation to empty those pockets that takes the pulling of human heart strings through both cognitive and affective human empathy, and that is WHAT AUTISM SPEAKS excels in, in their relatively paltry effort of achieving donations that are still only 4 percent of total Autism Research as indicated in the last government report in 2010.

    The Simon’s foundation did 3 times as much, but the Simon’s foundation for Autism Research is self funded by a billionaire philanthropist.

    Mr. Wright and his ‘Cohorts’ did it through hard work and volunteer effort as that is how human cognitive and affective empathy can work when one of ONE’S own is affected and effected and one translates that human condition altruistically to other human beings undergoing the same type of human REAL LIFE SUFFERING, AS FOR SOME FOLKS WITH AUTISM THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IT IS, HUMAN SUFFERING, AS SCIENCE SHOWS, IRREFUTABLY AS SUCH.

    AND THAT IS PRECISELY why Autism Speaks still has over a million supporters including hundreds of thousands who volunteer their time to the betterment of their fellow human beings.

    And as I have said many times here, my son died directly as a causal effect of the Autism co-morbid contributing factor of 22q11.2 gene deletion syndrome so the stakes here are LIFE AND DEATH FOR AT LEAST SOME FOLKS ON THE SPECTRUM, and researching the associated co-morbid symptoms that make this type of human suffering a LIFE OR DEATH REALITY is a part of AUTISM SPEAKS mission and goals, set forth as such.

    AND WITH ALL OF THIS information for anyone who dismisses it as not warranted as such, there are potentially other problems that I cannot SCIENTIFICALLY address as to avoid hurting anyone’s feelings.

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  9. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272663&start=30

    ^^^

    The Statistic is derived from the last and only research that will be specific to Asperger’s syndrome, sponsored by the CDC, now that it no longer is considered a specific diagnosis as such.

    The situation over Alison Singer was her personal opinion that ongoing limited research associated with individuals who might be individually compromised per issues like mitochondria dysfunction might be impacted by vaccines in limited cases. Science has proven that out as potentially associated in very limited research associated with mitochondrial dysfunction. It still was a scientifically based decision albeit not a popular internet one among either vaccine conspiracy theorists who wanted more research are those who wanted zero research.

    Autism Speaks, as an organization, took the middle road of science instead of a few opinions here or there.

    No one really knows what that 91% of the spectrum is in real life or is comprised of per causal factors as even with the billions of dollars that have been spent on research science has still only narrowed autism done to a set of behavioral expressed deficits with limited direct causal factors like fragile X syndrome.

    But never the less, that is the majority of Autism SPECTRUM DISORDER AS IT STANDS NOW, and the last CDC sponsored studies show that intellectual and border line intellectual disability still comprises a majority of the spectrum, per more severely impacted individuals, having difficulty doing the most basic of TASKS AND functions to get by in life.

    The greatER numbers per statistics supporting Autism speaks is not a personal judgement of that it is just statistics plain and simple, and the fact of the matter is Autism Speaks funding and support went up by 10 percent ON the last financial report so all of this Internet toil and trouble to harm the organization is relatively useless to that effect.

    And truly there are some people who spend their time online that have by their own report stated that they think there is an organized effort by Autism Speaks to get rid of them, which is both patently false and sad too, as anxiety kills the human heart and greater potential for human productivity.

    Autism speaks has a marketing division that promotes funding and a science division that focuses on the projects per cutting edge research to help those on the spectrum who are greatest impacted by human suffering.

    Marketing 101 does emotional marketing to pull human heart strings per pointing out human suffering to reach the normal cognitive and affective empathy that pulling heart strings of human AFFECT as such.

    It is non-sensical per marketing science to suggest that this can be done any other way, as MOST humans are motivated by emotion more over than bone dry information and facts. A science manual for that JUST WILL NOT WORK. 🙂

    And to be clear this Autism Speaks ongoing conspiracy theory stuff, is a total non-factor in my life now.

    The only reason I even researched this issue as I am capable of doing on any subject is it kept my own MIND off of life threatening pain PER REAL LIFE PHYSICAL ILLNESS, as it was a circular argument that I knew I could never win, as it IS based in emotionalism highly over facts.

    IN OTHER WORDS, I was just killing pain, and the only reason I commented here today IS I am dead tired of dancing last night and too tired to get out in the REAL WORLD TODAY, which I much prefer over online life now that my physical illnesses ARE OVER WITH, INCLUDING the most disabling aspects per social reciprocal communication in REAL LIFE THAT I CURED PER REMEDIATION OF SYMPTOMS OF problems with emotional regulation and sensory integration through the art of movement, including martial arts and ballet like dance, as science now shows that movement through the cerebellum of the brain balances both emotion and sensory integration.

    But I did not wait on the research to do it, I JUST DID IT CAUSE IT WORKS AND AS a direct result I now score 11 on the AQ quiz as opposed to 44 to 45 in June of 2013; a 95 on the EQ test as opposed to mid fifties in June of 2013, and my natural personality of ENFP has come to surface over INTJ as I have simply learned the ‘art’ of physical intelligence that drives both emotional regulation and sensory integration.

    And yes, movement therapy is a new and growing therapy for children on the spectrum as it simply exercises a part of the brain that is NOT EXERCISED BY SITTING STILL AND STATIC IN FRONT OF SCREENS.

    IF I STAY in front of a screen too long now I will literally scream and now that I am retired no one can force it on me 8 hours straight 5 days a week, in an activity that is totally against all common sense, mother nature, and human nature as well.

    But the impact of that goes deep all the way from approximately one third of children who are pre-type two diabetic, to close to 50% of the population taking some kind of pain killer, and sky rocketing prescription of anti-depressants for both children and adults.

    To stay still, in my opinion and the opinion of Einstein, overall, who suggests that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, and in this case that result is simple animal homeostasis, is just insanity, and a secret to folks now, that sadly is plain as a screen in front of a face sitting still.

    In the long run it almost killed me, literally so, and I share that as almost dying from stress is truly not fun, and yes science evidences the specific way stress kills human beings now through the destruction of the respiratory, nervous and circulation system by adrenaline related neurohormones that are not burned off by normal physical activity and just slowly kills human beings.

    Truly I think that Autism Speaks is stupid for not pursing this avenue of research, but even my doctor laughed at me, as she was not aware of modern research that indicates that eastern ways of movement therapy for illness are REAL AND SCIENTIFICALLY EVIDENCED AS SUCH NOW.

    I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED if even the top folks in the Science organization are not aware of this, as scientists often specialize and never move out of their specific field of study.

    I as an autodidact who reads 10 to 15 times faster than the average human with my hyperlexic form of Autism Spectrum disorder and who is retired and can research an unlimited number of subjects have the advantage over even PHD’s who specialize in their field only, and yes, I have three college degrees too, but that is less than .001 percent of the crystalized knowledge I have acquired over a lifetime per the speed of the input capacity of my brain which includes visual thinking moreover than verbal thinking.

    And fluid intelligence is my forte over that as a non-verbal thinking person over verbal thinking person, per my form of Autism as a non-verbal child until age 4.

    And I do type a lot at close to 130 words a minute when properly focused, and the autodidact formed ‘brain of my knowledge’ results in just this. 🙂

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    That is not their intention but if successful in determining a direct causal genetic factor it most definitely could be the intention of someone else FOR PROFIT as already happens with genetic tests for fragile X syndrome, A DIRECT CAUSAL FACTOR FOR AUTISM TOO.

    In my opinion, and in the opinion of current research the Disorder of Autism per social reciprocal communication deficits is largely environmental and definitely IS in my case as assessed by the professionals who monitored me over the course of my severe physical illnesses too.

    So, what this means is THERE IS NEVER GOING TO BE A ONE STOP GENETIC TEST FOR AUTISM, as it is literally impossible to do this; BUT, WHAT CAN HAPPEN as what the genetic research is already doing is to prepare parents for early intervention for therapies that may work in real life once the child is born, for a significant but not conclusive potential of a fetus developing Autism after being born, derived from genetic testing per probability of a mix of genes specifically correlated WITH but not DIRECT CAUSES OF Autism.

    So YES, it is imperative that this research continues and maybe one day, scientists will get enough common sense, and doctors too that what you do not use in life you simply lose as IS definitely the case in my case study. 🙂

    But YES, I still have ADHD and extreme tactile sensitivity issues, as well as incredible RRB’s that are probably never going to go away, but I AM FRIGGING HAPPY AS A BIRD FLYING FREE IN THE SKY, SO SWEET SUCCESS IS THE SONG THIS SEAGULL SINGS, per JLS like behavior (Jonathan LIVINGston Seagull). 😉

    AND IF no one else wants to hear it, that is their prerogative alone BUT IT SURE IS FUN TO BE HAPPY AND PEACEFUL IN MIND AND HEART ALL THE TIME, AND IT WILL PLEASE ME MUCH IF MORE PEOPLE CAN ACHIEVE THAT KIND OF REAL LIFE SUCCESS TOO IN LIFE, AS I SEE NOTHING ELSE THAT TRULY MATTERS BUT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AS A PRACTICE IN LIFE. 🙂

    I SAW that was confusing how i wrote it so I clarified that in an edit above that it is a probability that is a factor for predicting autism for getting ready for early intervention in therapies and not a certainty per genetic testing.

    The Autism Speaks organization is TOTALLY USELESS IN MY OPINION FOR MY KIND OF AUTISM AND MOST OF THE FOLKS I SEE POSTING HERE.

    Other than as I stated in the comment above, AUTISM SPEAKS IS A NON-FACTOR IN MY LIFE, AND A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN A NEGATIVE BONDING FACTOR FOR social unity on Internet sites, same as an opposing football team or another opposing religion in real life, WHICH has the same basic sociological effect and AFFECT FOR HUMAN BEING social BONDING.

    SO YES, it may not be totally a waste of time to discuss the conspiracy theories after all, like it’s a life or death situation if the New York Jets lose or win, depending on whose side one is on, and I do mean that sincerely, as sociology is science too.

    So go Anti-Autism speaks all ya want too, if it works for you, as in my opinion, whatever works IS at least ONE way to go. 🙂

    I prefer other more constructive things to do now, per my own personal opinion, but HELL NO, NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH WHAT I DO, NOT EVEN MY WIFE, at times hmm.. and yes perhaps truly Most of the time as I AM GOING TO BE DIFFERENT AND GO MY OWN WAY, NOW THAT I CAN. 🙂

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    And the sad reality is a rare minority of parents do think about this.

    Not talking about it does not change that reality at all.

    Avoiding talking about it takes away the possibility that people who need support will get the kind of emotional support that they truly need to know they are not alone TO FRIGGING NOT DO IT IN REAL LIFE.

    However, for anyone on the Autism Spectrum who has deficits in cognitive empathy this MAY BE almost impossible to understand, and I know nothing about you as an individual in real life, but yes, overall, this specific autism related factor of deficit for SOME folks on the spectrum does most definitely impact the ability to understand why other folks truly NEED EMOTIONAL SUPPORT IN LIFE, LIKE THIS.

    WHEN people actually complain about it the overall perception of people with normal cognitive and affective empathy, quite frankly, is that there is psychopathic leaning tendencies with folks who do not understand the human condition like this.

    But truly that too is a lack of understanding of cognitive empathy in that some folks on the spectrum do have deficits in cognitive empathy, but still have affective empathy that truly psychopathic leaning folks are lacking in per pro-social emotional affective empathy for others.

    The reality is the autism spectrum is way too complicated for the average Joe on the street to understand and as many folks have noted on this site, they do not even understand it their self or their self for that matter as a lack of self awareness is also a common clinical noted issue on the spectrum.

    More specifically put some Autistic folks have not developed an integral sense of healthy ego. And more specifically put a healthy ego is necessary per having a personality that will be attractive to other human beings, and that is just human nature, and as long as humans per majority are evolved like this THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE, no matter who says they want it to, on the Internet.

    So if folks CAN ADAPT in a way that does not harm their self, that in my opinion is a way to go for potential success in life but I know that not everyone has either the innate or environmental tools to do that as quite frankly life is just not fair, as far as I know from my personal experience of some of the worst human suffering known to mankind far beyond the condition of Autism.

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  12. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272663&start=60

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    It appears that we do not disagree at all, as it seems you misunderstood my comment above and perhaps you have not read my other LENGTHY comments in this discussion, AS I clearly state THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE that ‘Autism Speaks’ speaks for the overall spectrum per rarely at all, for the type of Autism, overall, that posts here, per that general 11% statistic from the CDC.

    And regarding STEM majors my point was opposite as I think they are less likely to be concerned about Autism Speaks, overall, as they tend be fact seekers and when looking at facts it is clear to see that Autism Speaks Organization has never publicly done ANYTHING THAT REMOTELY LOOKS LIKE A HATE GROUP, technically speaking, as perceptions do vary depending on who one asks.

    That part of this fascinating subject for me is both laughable and sad at the same time, and a small part of the reason I got involved in this is that some Autistic folks tend to be naive and will believe whatever the group tells them is true, no matter how much the facts dispute what is said. And what that means is greater human suffering in the way of depression and anxiety, and my empathy for other folks will NOT TURN OFF, when I see that happening here.

    But I would not doubt at all considering all the slanderous stuff that has been said about loving family members who work or Volunteer for Autism Speaks, some of those folks are probably jumping in joy (under their breath) that the diagnostic criteria for Asperger’s syndrome is gone in the U.S., so Autism Speaks no longer technically has to speak to that diagnostic label anymore now, anyway, per the online demographic of that specific overall category of Autism in the historical past, in the U.S.

    The only thing that I am personally concerned about in this whole pie is the harm that comes to Naive Autistic folks online by believing the conspiracies about a so-called HATE GROUP.

    The political aspect that Autism Speaks does not speak to Asperger’s syndrome as disorder instead of disease I see truth in and do not contradict.

    And the fact is, now, they will never speak to Asperger’s syndrome as disorder instead of disease as it no longer exists as a label.

    The Autism Speaks organization sees Autism as disease and as curable disease, simple as that, as many other folks do in science as well.

    I do not believe that my form of Autism is either innate disease or disorder.

    In my case, I believe the truly functionally disabling parts that I have remediated myself by going farther than what folks commonly believe is Autism for potential cure IS ENVIRONMENTAL, IN BOTH CAUSAL EFFECT AND AFFECT, AND NO I WAS NOT EVEN BORN with those parts that TRULY AFFECTIVELY separated me socially from other folks later in life.

    That part came as culture TAUGHT ME HOW TO BE A FRIGGING ROBOT INSTEAD OF A HUMAN BEING, in ways of work and school.

    And yes, I have convinced professionals in real life, by my case study, that THIS IS both possible and curable.

    And interestingly, follow up studies on the same children as adults that Hans Asperger’s studied in the 40’s show that most of them seem to have remediated the most functionally disabling parts of their so-called ‘Autistic Psychopathy’ as well, through all natural means. This too seems to provide some credence that those functionally disabling parts, at least for those folks studied, were environmentally produced and not innately produced, as such.

    So in other words culture may create the functionally disabling parts of so-called Asperger’s syndrome overall, and NOT BIOLOGY.

    THAT IS REALLY FASCINATING TO ME, and I personally see much anecdotal evidence of THAT on this online Internet site, among the folks that post here.

    THAT PART killed my human spirit and creativity as well as my ability to EFFECTIVELY AND AFFECTIVELY reciprocally socially communicate with others, IN REAL LIFE, and now I defeat that back with my own relative free will by way of IMPROVING MY PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE that science now shows DOES regulate emotional intelligence and sensory integration intelligence.

    No one HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE is LIKELY going to tell me to my face that Autism Speaks OR ANY OTHER SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, AS in this case Autism SPEAKS DOES have a branch that IS TECHNICALLY DEFINED AS A SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, SHOULD NOT study a co-morbid syndrome that led to my child’s death per 22Q11.2 GENE DELETION SYNDROME, SO THAT is a non-issue too, to me, too.

    Anyone can say anything no matter how callous it is behind an anonymous avatar on the Internet, so I do not even take that seriously on a personal level, as that is not much different than an anonymous hate letter.

    FOR THE MOST PART THIS for me has been a RESEARCH PROJECT on a topic to take my mind off OF REAL PHYSICAL PAIN.

    I DO not GIVE A FLYING F ABOUT THE ACTUAL AUTISM SPEAKS ORGANIZATION one way or the other.

    I do not spend my time worrying about NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS that help people OF ANY KIND, or for that matter I do not spend my time WORRYING AT ALL, AS I SEE THAT as both counterproductive and a WASTE OF MY PRECIOUS NOWS.

    BUT as always, TO EACH his or her own, by way of one’s own will is what I say too.

    And to be clear I have no problems with you at all, and when I use caps it is a literary device to accentuate emotion in language by making written words more organic to gain attention from reading audiences in the Twitter world we live in, NOW.

    There is no way most people could make it this far in what I write, without a little discomfort to motivate attention.

    That is simply biology 101, and I always use science as a tool, to better everything I do, whether people agree with IT or not. 😉

    Sincerely Smiles, and hope you have a Happy Holiday Season. 🙂

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    Thanks for providing and pointing out that new information from this latest study, and it is A salient part, per my premise of so-called higher functioning autism, which is truly not a diagnostic label and just a vague clinical label for folks who are not intellectually disabled with the disorder, IN that the innate association per intellectual disability is not changing and the potential for environmental effect and affect per a culture that is increasingly mechanical cognition oriented instead of social and physical intelligence cognitively oriented is potentially A main factor behind increasing cases of so-called higher functioning Autism.

    It makes sense to me, and one sees it everywhere one goes these days, BY ANECDOTAL ACCOUNT as even the cash register operators at ‘McDonalds’ are losing the basic social/physical cognitive skills to look into someone’s eyes and say Good morning or hi, and or look into someone’s eyes, wave and say good afternoon or bye.

    Use or lose it, does apply, as in all things in human life.

    The country is producing a force of folks with deficits in physical and social cognition by way of non-verbal communication that is indistinguishable from THE BEHAVIORAL DEFICITS OF Autism, without a case-by-case childhood history of the disorder.

    The full affect and effect is functional disability in both physical and social cognition and in many cases emotional regulation and sensory integration regardless of the label someone applies to the behavioral deficits in reciprocal social communication.

    A way to fix that, at least in some cases, is practice practice physical intelligence that drives emotional regulation and sensory integration as well as get out and really connect to folks in flesh and blood communication away from a computer screen and or cold, dry, ‘hard fact’ lectures almost 6 to 7 hours a day, sitting still or at work chained still to a machine with a screen.

    So I say scream instead of SCREEN and get out, as often as one can, TO SIMPLY PRACTICE ONE’S FULLER POTENTIALS in human being in FULLER POTENTIALS OF ALL Human Being Intelligences. 🙂

    YA NEVER NOW until one truly tries it and practices it, it might lead to a great life, and most importantly peace of mind and body working as one force of grace and strength in connecting to other human beings and even Mother Nature True per what some folks term as GOD, by way of existential and Mother Nature Intelligence.

    And yes, THAT includes the understanding and practice of what human nature innately is, too, for simple animal homeostasis that so many human animals have problems attaining that other animals can almost take for granted when not in fight or flight mode, as is generated culturally and chronically for many folks today, on and off the so-called spectrum of Autism and beyond in broader Autism phenotype in anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the general population and potentially above by now, as culture continues to go the robot instead of flesh and blood way of human being potential in fullest human intelligence potentials. 🙂

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    NO, I am not suggesting that deficits in physical intelligence THAT SCIENCE DOES NOW SHOW DRIVES EMOTIONAL REGULATION AND SENSORY INTERGRATION is THE ONE CAUSE OF so-called HIGHER FUNCTIONING AUTISM.

    I am suggesting that is it A causal factor that is responsible to at least SOME DEGREE of the severity of SOME CURRENTLY diagnosed cases of Autism Spectrum Disorder in the way of emotional regulation and sensory integration that is directly related to successful reciprocal social communication.

    I was born with an innate language delay until age 4, and what was termed as he’s got bright eyes and he will speak when he gets ready to speak then, per my then undiagnosed hyperlexic flavor of Autism with the language delay in tow until age 4, which actually meets the diagnostic Criteria for Asperger’s syndrome STILL per the Gillberg Criteria for Autism that much better reflects the actual case studies of Hans Aspergers in the 40’s.

    http://www.bbbautism.com/asp_gillberg.htm

    The diagnosis for Asperger’s syndrome was extremely watered down, and in effect simply Autism Lite, as the DSMIV deciding committee was just too lazy to meet the complexity of what is described in Gillberg criteria, so they subtracted a few Autism Disorder criterion here and there, and made language development delays an exclusion to make a non-verbal child with Asperger’s impossible, which is contradictory to what Hans Asperger’s studied in his case studies that the Gillberg Criteria better reflects.

    And the DSMIV committee was so lazy in quality control that the way they originally worded criterion requirements for Asperger’s syndrome, before it was refined in the DSMIV revision in the year 2000, technically, a person could be diagnosed with only one of the triad categories of impairment per RRB’s only, BEFORE THE YEAR 2000, in the U.S.

    And HA, some people wonder why at least one study shows approximately 40% ‘recovered’ later in life, after the year 2000, as this was at least one part of that reason for recovery from so-CALLED ridiculously loosely described criteria for Asperger’s Syndrome in 1994 per DSMIV criteria BEFORE revision in the year 2000.

    But anyway, science does now show that physical intelligence orchestrates emotional regulation and sensory integration, so failure to move, is failure to gain full potential in social reciprocal communication.

    If you did not do all those movement exercises when you were young, AND GETTING OUT AND CONNECTING WITH flesh and blood humans in real life, chances are you could be much more severely impacted as ‘we’ do see today among younger and OLDER folks with Autism.

    THIS IS THE kind of thing that PHD’s can’t seem to do as they are so stuck in their lenses of scientific specialization that they cannot fathom that the jocks had it right, all along. 😉

    Yeah, that’s a nerd generalization, but still it is generally true in the bigger world out there and has always been the stereotype of SO-CALLED nerd BEHAVIOR per failure at athletics and social interaction and now science shows that no it was NOT JUST A STEREOTYPE, IT IS GROUNDED IN INNATE HUMAN BEHAVIORAL and MIND SCIENCE.

    AND AS AVENUES to escape physical intelligence continue to grow in mechanical cognition ways of sitting still in front of a computer, so do the folks who were once nerds becoming diagnosed with functional disabilities in the social ways of life, called Autism Spectrum disorder.

    It’s simply math, and now more folks are moving over that border, wherever it is, from Broader Autism Phenotype to diagnosable functional social reciprocal communication disabilities by way of loss of innate human attributes through way of mechanical cognition leaning activities.

    And there is also research that identifies that when mechanical cognition type activities are pursued in lieu of empathy/social cognition activities social cognition is repressed and vice versa, and when one cognitive activity is pursued chronically to the neglect of the other ‘pathway’ of mind the river of that particular path of human cognition simply dries up by degree depending on the severity of exclusion of the particular type of cognition in play, IN REAL LIFE OR ON SCREEN, AS just one example of mechanical cognition leaning activities for overall human cognition.

    This is so simple it is scary that science has not got it figured out per mainstream of direction for potential remediation of some cases of Autism, but the refrigerator mother theory thingy makes it politically incorrect to do so, too, as science now shows that folks who are not given loads of nurturing per touchy feely stuff in the first two years of life, lose their ability to connect to others by oxytocin social bonding ways, as the mind gets rewired NOT TO DO THAT, WHEN A CHILD IS raised by electronics instead of flesh and blood, for example.

    So yeah, Kanner was right and wrong, there are some cases of Autism that are mostly genetically caused per genetic syndromes, like Fragile X syndrome per approximately 5 percent of folks on the spectrum, and there are other cases that are likely mostly environmentally created by the cultural environment whether it is lack of nurture of parents and other care givers in the first two years of life, or exclusion of physical and social cognition activities that balance emotional regulation and sensory integration, as well as an almost unlimited number of other environmental factors.

    One can increase social cognition and increasing creative physical intelligence is one way to do that, which will work for some folks, at least, to SOME DEGREE. 🙂

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    I appreciate that you actually quoted what I said as the issue here is clearly one of miscommunication in your ability to understand my style of writing that is rarely below the college PLUS level of comprehension.

    The first two paragraphs that you compare mean the same thing.

    I am very specific and detailed in the way I write in not making any absolutes, and yes that can look a ‘little’ convoluted if one does not pursue the ins and outs of my grammar to make that happen, but never the less, even though it is way above 12th grade level of reading comprehension, Microsoft Word can understand it and rates it as A OK.

    Suggesting that Autism Speaks is a hate group is clearly a conspiracy theory and along the lines of making it one people have created and added to ‘urban legends’ Online to support this conspiracy theory that I have debunked ad-nauseam on this Internet site, as lauded by past moderator Cornflake time and time again, as recorded on this website, still to date.

    And I’ve never financially supported Autism speaks and never suggested that they are NOT OUT TO REMEDIATE THE SYMPTOMS OF ALL FORMS OF AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER, WHICH DOES FALL WELL WITHIN the modern Medical definition of the word CURE.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/cure

    Definition of CURE:

    Quote:
    1: recovery from a disease ; also : remission of signs or symptoms of a disease especially during a prolonged period of observation —compare arrest
    2: a drug, treatment, regimen, or other agency that cures a disease
    3: a course or period of treatment; especially : one designed to interrupt an addiction or compulsive habit or to improve general health

    And yes, if they could, they would do ‘ONE pill’ as a ONE STOP CURE, but that is no longer anyone’s pipe dream who is in the Scientific know, including the Scientific Organization branch that in addition to the advocacy and public relations part of Autism Speaks make it what it is.

    Hey dude, I’m a really complex Autistic Dude who has developed ALL types of Intelligence THAT I know of, so far, now, as a life long Hobby.

    And yes, I am strange wherever I go, as most people are pursuing the American Illusion of pursuing Material GOODS and false riches instead of what I KNOW IS HUMAN BLISS IN ALL BALANCES OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE(S).

    I’ve had 54 years to go the other way, and sweet success is what I LIVE AND BREATHE IN REAL HUMANS RICHES OF SUCCESS IN HEALTH AND WELL BEING BALANCE.

    AND YES, I have irrefutable evidence everywhere I go to prove that amazing Autistic thingy and or real life story..;)

    I’d write a book, but I neither care for the money or the fame, even IF people could understand the way I communicate OUT ‘ThERE’ in the watered down he(A)rd. 🙂

  16. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272663&start=75

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    The New England Journal OF MEDICINE suggests that there is a small but ever present part of the general population, which does include Autistic folks, who are more susceptible to believing conspiracy theories, whether that is the ‘Alex Jones’ kind per the ‘big bad government’ is ‘coming to get you’ conspiracy theories or whether it is the ‘Autism Speaks Hate Group’ is ‘coming to get you’ conspiracy theory, or the ‘Vaccines cause all Autism Spectrum Disease Conspiracy’ Thingy.

    No, not all Autistic people are naive like this, but yes, as science shows a minority of all human beings do tend to go with this ‘sheep type’ of flow.

    Sometimes they are just desperate to be part of a group, any group, for the basic need of social bonding and will follow any common purpose, positive or negative, to make that a reality in their life, no matter how many negative emotions of hate, anxiety, and fear go along to taint the general direction of the social bonding part of it.

    So yeah, I understand why and have expressed empathy for that sad BUT REAL part of human nature, at times here too, specifically in this discussion, as well.

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    Happy Holidays.. i’m moving on to GREENER pastures now..;)

    The sun IS finally coming out of hibernation for me to day. 😉

    And a Happy New year too…..WITH SMILES 2:)

    YES.. this place can truly be heartbreaking in more ways than one.. to answer the question of the OP.

    I visit, but HELL no I do not live here, TG.
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